Luger stocks, when did some become illegal

cirelaw · 11-08-2011, 11:54 AM

The joining of a stock a a large portion of lugers remain illegal. When did the law become inacted? What about individual state laws? When were stock lugs introduced? I read that they remained on for the lugers manufacturing. An easy way to grasp the gun during the blueing.

alanint · 11-08-2011, 12:21 PM

The National Firearms Act of 1934 established most of the firearms restrictions that exist today. This includes restrictions on Machineguns, silencers, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, hideout guns, destructive and explosive devices, etc.

It was enacted largely due to the Prohibition era gang wars and the use of submachine guns, grenades, etc. that were employed.

The Luger with stock issue comes from restrictions on Short Barreled Rifles.

cirelaw · 11-08-2011, 12:28 PM

Are there any firearms that are totally outlawed like heroin or lsd?

cirelaw · 11-08-2011, 12:39 PM

Are all stock interchangeable? Like putting a navy on an artillery?

Ron Wood · 11-08-2011, 02:14 PM

Technically it would be possible to put a navy on an artillery since the stock lugs and irons are identical (with slight hand fitting required in some cases as was necessary on originals). However, I am sure you have read enough posts on this subject to be aware that such a combination is illegal.

Stock lugs were introduced on the 1902 Carbine and the 1903/04 Navy (there is some evidence that lugs were incorporated on certain experimental versions of the Model 1900, but I do not know the particulars). The lug was eliminated on the 1908 Army military contract, but resurrected in late 1913 and remained a feature of Lugers from that date on.

cirelaw · 11-08-2011, 03:13 PM

My 1937 Kreighoff has a stock lug. In fact in Gibsons' book the 1945 has a stock lug yet nowhere in his book is picture an attachment anywhere! Here is my 1937 as an example never used!

alanint · 11-08-2011, 05:06 PM

There is some evidence to support that the stock lugs were left intact so that they would serve as an assembly fixture at the factory. The frames could be placed in a jig while assembling or other activities. The cost of leaving it intact I imagine was minimal

cirelaw · 11-08-2011, 05:09 PM

Thats what its looking like!

Lugerdoc · 11-11-2011, 08:44 AM

Except for Carbines, Navys and a few experimentals in the 10,000B range at DWM, the stock lug was not standard until Dec 1913. TH PS: See the For Sale section for a 1913 Erfurt mit lug, in my postings.

MikeP · 11-12-2011, 06:46 PM

I had to give up a mint matching C96 rig in 1966 over this.

I was 18. going into the army and was allowed to "abandon" it without being charged.
I had to 'splain this later when getting a security clearance.
A bunch of Lugers got ruined a some believed the lug itself was a violation and ground them off.

11-08-2011, 11:54 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Luger stocks, when did some become illegal The joining of a stock a a large portion of lugers remain illegal. When did the law become inacted? What about individual state laws? When were stock lugs introduced? I read that they remained on for the lugers manufacturing. An easy way to grasp the gun during the blueing.

11-08-2011, 12:28 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Party poopers! Are there any firearms that are totally outlawed like heroin or lsd?

11-08-2011, 02:14 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,992 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Technically it would be possible to put a navy on an artillery since the stock lugs and irons are identical (with slight hand fitting required in some cases as was necessary on originals). However, I am sure you have read enough posts on this subject to be aware that such a combination is illegal. Stock lugs were introduced on the 1902 Carbine and the 1903/04 Navy (there is some evidence that lugs were incorporated on certain experimental versions of the Model 1900, but I do not know the particulars). The lug was eliminated on the 1908 Army military contract, but resurrected in late 1913 and remained a feature of Lugers from that date on. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-08-2011, 03:13 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My 1937 Kreighoff has a stock lug. In fact in Gibsons' book the 1945 has a stock lug yet nowhere in his book is picture an attachment anywhere! Here is my 1937 as an example never used! Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2011, 08:44 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Except for Carbines, Navys and a few experimentals in the 10,000B range at DWM, the stock lug was not standard until Dec 1913. TH PS: See the For Sale section for a 1913 Erfurt mit lug, in my postings. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-08-2011, 12:21 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The National Firearms Act of 1934 established most of the firearms restrictions that exist today. This includes restrictions on Machineguns, silencers, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, hideout guns, destructive and explosive devices, etc. It was enacted largely due to the Prohibition era gang wars and the use of submachine guns, grenades, etc. that were employed. The Luger with stock issue comes from restrictions on Short Barreled Rifles.

11-08-2011, 12:39 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Are all stock interchangeable? Like putting a navy on an artillery?

11-08-2011, 05:06 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	There is some evidence to support that the stock lugs were left intact so that they would serve as an assembly fixture at the factory. The frames could be placed in a jig while assembling or other activities. The cost of leaving it intact I imagine was minimal

11-08-2011, 05:09 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thats what its looking like!

11-12-2011, 06:46 PM	#10
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I had to give up a mint matching C96 rig in 1966 over this. I was 18. going into the army and was allowed to "abandon" it without being charged. I had to 'splain this later when getting a security clearance. A bunch of Lugers got ruined a some believed the lug itself was a violation and ground them off.