1911 DWM Proofs

Mike B · 10-19-2009, 05:34 PM

Greetings,
I just unpacked a box that I have been anxiously waiting for. It is a 1911 DWM, serial number 399f. If Mr. Still is interested, this serial is above his stated range for 1911. Hopefully this might be a significant bit of information.
Another subject is the proofing. Can anyone shed any light on what kind of proof marks are on this Luger. I have gone to Costanzos' book, Mr. Stills' books and Mr.Kenyons' book and cannot find this proof mark. The closest I can come is a 1934 DWM/Mauser rework. I would think if this would be the case, there would additional marking. Any input will be appreciated.

Mike

FNorm · 10-19-2009, 06:40 PM

Beautiful piece!

Lugerdoc · 10-20-2009, 10:33 AM

Mike, Have you considered proof #13 on page 285 of Costanzo? It could be that the forward inspector's marking is a C/V with a few added dings. TH

Piet · 10-20-2009, 03:22 PM

I will follow this with interest, as I have 199f - only 200 numbers from yours. The second proof mark is different in comparison (Crown E)
Does it have an inscription on the back strap?
Piet

Piet · 10-20-2009, 03:53 PM

In comparison with 199f see attached
Piet

John Sabato · 10-21-2009, 07:45 AM

What a great find Mike! Could the second mark be the same as the one illustrated by Piet on his 199f specimen, but only poorly struck by the manufacturer? (and maybe a couple of handling dings during its 98 year lifetime?)

Mike B · 10-23-2009, 11:14 AM

Greetings,
In less than one week, I have had the good fortune of acquiring two 1911 DWM Lugers. Both have shed some new light on the extend of the "f" block serial numbers. However, I must confess that I had to return the first one, serial number 399f.

Mike

alanint · 10-23-2009, 11:36 AM

Mike,

What issues did 399F have, if you can discuss this?

Mike B · 10-23-2009, 11:44 AM

No problem in discussion. There was extensive pitting on several area of the Luger. In addition, it had been touched up with cold blue. What was amazing is the seller represented it as a 99% gun.

Mike

Balder · 10-23-2009, 02:25 PM

Mike B,

These are the markings on my 1911 DWM, serial # 3297 e - they look kind of the same. As on yours, the middle one looks like a mark that has been overstamped by the left one. Mine has a regimental marking on the front grip strap and no hold-open.

Balder

Piet · 10-23-2009, 04:16 PM

The marks on 525f are the same as 199f. Is there a regimental marking on the back strap?
Piet

10-20-2009, 10:33 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mike, Have you considered proof #13 on page 285 of Costanzo? It could be that the forward inspector's marking is a C/V with a few added dings. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-20-2009, 03:53 PM	#5
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	In comparison with 199f see attached Piet Attached Thumbnails

10-21-2009, 07:45 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	What a great find Mike! Could the second mark be the same as the one illustrated by Piet on his 199f specimen, but only poorly struck by the manufacturer? (and maybe a couple of handling dings during its 98 year lifetime?) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-23-2009, 11:14 AM	#7
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Greetings, In less than one week, I have had the good fortune of acquiring two 1911 DWM Lugers. Both have shed some new light on the extend of the "f" block serial numbers. However, I must confess that I had to return the first one, serial number 399f. Mike Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

10-23-2009, 02:25 PM	#10
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Mike B, These are the markings on my 1911 DWM, serial # 3297 e - they look kind of the same. As on yours, the middle one looks like a mark that has been overstamped by the left one. Mine has a regimental marking on the front grip strap and no hold-open. Balder Last edited by Balder; 10-24-2009 at 10:51 AM.

10-19-2009, 05:34 PM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	1911 DWM Proofs Greetings, I just unpacked a box that I have been anxiously waiting for. It is a 1911 DWM, serial number 399f. If Mr. Still is interested, this serial is above his stated range for 1911. Hopefully this might be a significant bit of information. Another subject is the proofing. Can anyone shed any light on what kind of proof marks are on this Luger. I have gone to Costanzos' book, Mr. Stills' books and Mr.Kenyons' book and cannot find this proof mark. The closest I can come is a 1934 DWM/Mauser rework. I would think if this would be the case, there would additional marking. Any input will be appreciated. Mike Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

10-19-2009, 06:40 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Beautiful piece!

10-20-2009, 03:22 PM	#4
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	I will follow this with interest, as I have 199f - only 200 numbers from yours. The second proof mark is different in comparison (Crown E) Does it have an inscription on the back strap? Piet

10-23-2009, 11:36 AM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Mike, What issues did 399F have, if you can discuss this?

10-23-2009, 11:44 AM	#9
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	No problem in discussion. There was extensive pitting on several area of the Luger. In addition, it had been touched up with cold blue. What was amazing is the seller represented it as a 99% gun. Mike

10-23-2009, 04:16 PM	#11
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	The marks on 525f are the same as 199f. Is there a regimental marking on the back strap? Piet