1st post with 1st Luger

junkmanted · 08-28-2009, 08:46 PM

Just picked this up today can you guys tell me a little about it I know nothing about Lugers .
All numbers match even grips but the mag does not

no import marks low numbered
didnt even clean it yet
holster has no stamps and looks like the name inside is
( Carl Lottmann ARNSTALT ) The last 3 letters are hard to make out.
Thanks for the help hope I picked up a good one

FNorm · 08-28-2009, 08:56 PM

Nice looking piece. Decent holster too.

GerColctor · 08-29-2009, 02:32 PM

Junk

You have a dated 1918 Erfurt made military Luger. It was the last year that the goverment arsenal in Erfurt made weapons. Those are Imperal proof/acceptance stamps on the right side of the frame.

The "low serial" number is somewhat misleading, as these military Luger's serial numbers were repeated when they reached 9999. The numbers would start over again at 1, but then with a letter suffix. If you check the full serial number on the front of the frame, below the barrel, you may see the suffix letter, (often hard to decipher).

Nice Luger
Joe

Frank · 08-29-2009, 03:28 PM

Hey Joe, it looks like a 1916 to me.

junkmanted · 08-29-2009, 06:23 PM

Theres no letters before the ser #

Don M · 08-29-2009, 08:50 PM

The letter would be below the number on the front of the frame.

John Sabato · 08-29-2009, 09:16 PM

Shes a real piece of history... A nice erfurt! Clean Her gently, Lube her generously (but not the wood-don't get any oil on the wood!) and preserve her for posterity... she deserves it!

Don't store her in the holster... it draws moisture and will cause her to rust.

Maintain the shape of the holster with a wooden magazine in the mag holder and bubble wrap in the main part. Don't buckle it unless you have to... wears out the belt.

Karl · 08-30-2009, 09:24 AM

The unrelieved sear bar suggests earlier 1916 production, also note the unusual lack of a relief cut for the LP08 sight. KFS

GerColctor · 08-30-2009, 01:08 PM

Looked at the photo too fast, it is a 1916 issue. Still a nice pistol.

Joe

klaus 3338 · 08-30-2009, 03:45 PM

Junkmanted, the holster marker should be Carl Lattmann (in) ARNSTADT. What´s about the magazine, did it have the same number? Is there a tool in the holster?
Regards Klaus

junkmanted · 08-30-2009, 04:46 PM

mag is non matching and no tool
heres a picture of the front of the frame no letters

junkmanted · 08-30-2009, 07:34 PM

I found a date stamped inside the holster 1918

GerColctor · 08-30-2009, 08:50 PM

Nice brown military Luger holster.

Joe

Ron Wood · 08-31-2009, 12:38 AM

That is a nice Erfurt. It looks 100% correct, but the puzzle, as Karl observed, is why a 1916 Erfurt receiver is not cut for the arty sight and why it has an unrelieved sear bar (it is an Erfurt proofed receiver). I'm not putting the gun down, it is just that it is an enigma.

Karl · 09-01-2009, 10:28 AM

According to Still, Imperial Lugers, the relieved sear bar and receiver cut were both implemented during 1916 Erfurt production. There is a photo of 1916 Erfurt 743d with an uncut receiver but a relieved sear bar.

If Junkmanted is correct about the lack of a serial # suffix he has has an early example. KFS

junkmanted · 09-01-2009, 07:53 PM

Thanks for the information and I need to shoot it at least 1 time .
She cleaned up nice the crud on the grips came off I took a new soft brass brush and went with the grooves and all the crap came off .
Now its in the safe wrapped in 2 silicone cloths

George Anderson · 09-01-2009, 08:54 PM

I believe that some 1916 production was a finish-up of pistols/parts begun in 1914 and never finished that year before the plant went into full Kar98 production in 1915.

Douglas Jr. · 09-02-2009, 02:12 PM

A nice Luger. You did nice for your first Luger purchase.
Welcome to the hobby.

Douglas

junkmanted · 09-02-2009, 07:45 PM

thanks

junkmanted · 10-18-2009, 04:45 PM

I finaly shot it last week end i just put a box through her every thing was great .

I first loaded it up and said to my self god for bid if something breaks just because of the numbers !

I never did ask what do you guys think its worth I did some work for the seller about 12 hours + 100.00 in suplies + 600.00 cash out of my pocket.

08-28-2009, 08:46 PM	#1
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1st post with 1st Luger Just picked this up today can you guys tell me a little about it I know nothing about Lugers . All numbers match even grips but the mag does not no import marks low numbered didnt even clean it yet holster has no stamps and looks like the name inside is ( Carl Lottmann ARNSTALT ) The last 3 letters are hard to make out. Thanks for the help hope I picked up a good one

08-29-2009, 02:32 PM	#3
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Junk You have a dated 1918 Erfurt made military Luger. It was the last year that the goverment arsenal in Erfurt made weapons. Those are Imperal proof/acceptance stamps on the right side of the frame. The "low serial" number is somewhat misleading, as these military Luger's serial numbers were repeated when they reached 9999. The numbers would start over again at 1, but then with a letter suffix. If you check the full serial number on the front of the frame, below the barrel, you may see the suffix letter, (often hard to decipher). Nice Luger Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

08-29-2009, 08:50 PM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The letter would be below the number on the front of the frame. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

08-29-2009, 09:16 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Shes a real piece of history... A nice erfurt! Clean Her gently, Lube her generously (but not the wood-don't get any oil on the wood!) and preserve her for posterity... she deserves it! Don't store her in the holster... it draws moisture and will cause her to rust. Maintain the shape of the holster with a wooden magazine in the mag holder and bubble wrap in the main part. Don't buckle it unless you have to... wears out the belt. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-30-2009, 01:08 PM	#9
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Looked at the photo too fast, it is a 1916 issue. Still a nice pistol. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

08-28-2009, 08:56 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Nice looking piece. Decent holster too.

08-29-2009, 03:28 PM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Joe, it looks like a 1916 to me.

08-29-2009, 06:23 PM	#5
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Theres no letters before the ser #

08-30-2009, 09:24 AM	#8
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 515 Thanks: 0 Thanked 252 Times in 112 Posts	The unrelieved sear bar suggests earlier 1916 production, also note the unusual lack of a relief cut for the LP08 sight. KFS

08-30-2009, 03:45 PM	#10
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	Junkmanted, the holster marker should be Carl Lattmann (in) ARNSTADT. What´s about the magazine, did it have the same number? Is there a tool in the holster? Regards Klaus

08-30-2009, 04:46 PM	#11
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mag is non matching and no tool heres a picture of the front of the frame no letters

08-30-2009, 07:34 PM	#12
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found a date stamped inside the holster 1918

08-30-2009, 08:50 PM	#13
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Nice brown military Luger holster. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

08-31-2009, 12:38 AM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	That is a nice Erfurt. It looks 100% correct, but the puzzle, as Karl observed, is why a 1916 Erfurt receiver is not cut for the arty sight and why it has an unrelieved sear bar (it is an Erfurt proofed receiver). I'm not putting the gun down, it is just that it is an enigma. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-01-2009, 10:28 AM	#15
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 515 Thanks: 0 Thanked 252 Times in 112 Posts	According to Still, Imperial Lugers, the relieved sear bar and receiver cut were both implemented during 1916 Erfurt production. There is a photo of 1916 Erfurt 743d with an uncut receiver but a relieved sear bar. If Junkmanted is correct about the lack of a serial # suffix he has has an early example. KFS

09-01-2009, 07:53 PM	#16
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the information and I need to shoot it at least 1 time . She cleaned up nice the crud on the grips came off I took a new soft brass brush and went with the grooves and all the crap came off . Now its in the safe wrapped in 2 silicone cloths

09-01-2009, 08:54 PM	#17
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I believe that some 1916 production was a finish-up of pistols/parts begun in 1914 and never finished that year before the plant went into full Kar98 production in 1915.

09-02-2009, 02:12 PM	#18
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	A nice Luger. You did nice for your first Luger purchase. Welcome to the hobby. Douglas

09-02-2009, 07:45 PM	#19
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks

10-18-2009, 04:45 PM	#20
junkmanted User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I finaly shot it last week end i just put a box through her every thing was great . I first loaded it up and said to my self god for bid if something breaks just because of the numbers ! I never did ask what do you guys think its worth I did some work for the seller about 12 hours + 100.00 in suplies + 600.00 cash out of my pocket.