Newbie with the Devil's Gun?

j1911mcd · 02-16-2009, 11:06 PM

Hello folks,

Being new to this particular forum, I figured I would start off with something I believe to be unique.

I have come to possess my first Luger. From what I've learned from this forum and other resources I have the following information to share:

The Luger is a "byf" with a "41" above the chamber. Possibly Mauser manufactured in 1941?

The bore gauge is marked "8,82" below the barrel.

The suffix is an "a".

The grips are black plastic (bakelite). Possibly a "black widow"?

The parts all have the matching last two digits of the serial number which begs for the last bit of info...the serial number........

It is "666" with the "a" suffix of course!!!

What the hell do I make of this? Obviously, any information that could be obtained would prove to be invaluable when it comes time to display/sell this piece.

I will post pics soon so as to defer any doubts.

Thank you for your assistance.

J
j1911mcd@aol.com

lugercollector · 02-16-2009, 11:09 PM

Hitlers personal Luger!!

Ron Smith · 02-16-2009, 11:15 PM

Hi,

You have a Mauser(byf)produced in 1941. It has been coined "Black Widow" by a collector/dealer as a marketing gimic, due to the black bakelite grips. Your was the 666th pistol produce in the second production, or "a" suffix block of 10,000 pistols.

Welcome to the forum.

cma22inc · 02-16-2009, 11:57 PM

We'd like to gently steer other collectors away from using the term B---k W----w. It really is a made up gimic to over charge or boost the cost on the above mentioned item.

pipeman45 · 02-17-2009, 12:01 AM

That gun is cursed.
My advise is to send it to me for immediate trip to a priest for proper disposal.

Edward Tinker · 02-17-2009, 09:32 AM

i assume tounge in cheek, as its just the 666th gun made, the germans did not skip serial number 3, 7 or 13, all (bad luck in some cultures), so....

j1911mcd · 02-17-2009, 09:39 AM

Picture proof of the Devil's heater.

zinfull · 02-17-2009, 01:16 PM

Nice gun. there is not much wear on that baby.

Jerry

chuck17 · 02-17-2009, 03:40 PM

Awesome! I would've bought it just for the S/N.

Good catch.

G.T. · 02-17-2009, 03:49 PM

Better yet, E/135 acceptance stamps... and looks pretty nice to boot! Best to you, til..lat'r..GT

kidvett · 02-17-2009, 07:42 PM

WOW !! I would have bought it too for the ``numbers & looks`` !!

Very nice, Bravo !!

MFC · 02-18-2009, 02:01 AM

Now that's what I call a conversation piece!

Odd...It has a post war GDR manufactured takedown lever.
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=17490

j1911mcd · 02-18-2009, 05:27 PM

Gentlemen,

Thank you so much for the feedback. It has been, without doubt, a conversation piece and then some.

I am in the process of attempting to determine the history of the guns' travel to the United States. Currently, I am waiting on a response from the widow of the owner who received it from his grandfather. This is as much as I know right now.

The information I've obtained thus far has been from this forum and a few texts, however, I am unfamiliar with acceptance marks and the GDR takedown lever difference. I did read the link, but am unable to determine whether or not this adds value or is simply an indifferent variant. My ballpark on this gun is in the 1400-1700 range.

Does this make sense?

MFC · 02-19-2009, 12:41 AM

The GDR takedown levers are a different shape than the originals. The non origianal TD lever makes it mismatched and would devalue it. The original TD was numbered. It's such an interesting serial# though, so I don't know how much. I think your still in the ballpark with your price, but if it were all original, quite a bit more.

j1911mcd · 05-10-2009, 01:36 PM

Gentlemen,

As many of you know by now, the time has come to part with this pistol.

I have responded to numerous individuals thus far from the board and continue to do so. I will not tie up bandwidth nor posts with any more additional pics as I've been asked for specific shots and find it easier to send them out directly via e-mail.

It is my preference at this time to sell the gun to a sincere Luger collector and hence this post without a gun auction in cyberland.

Should I have missed anyone with pics and/or info, please respond to me at j1911mcd@aol.com and I will reply as soon as I can.

Thank you for your shared education and your overwhelming interest in this pistol.

tharpo · 05-10-2009, 01:57 PM

I believe Jan Still is looking for a 1941 byf with 135 135 stamps.

Tom

Ice · 05-10-2009, 02:48 PM

That is a very nice P08. I hope somebody on this or Jam's forum buys it.

Charlie

George Anderson · 05-10-2009, 11:12 PM

Try selling it to Seventh Day Adventist.

Jan C Still · 05-11-2009, 03:47 AM

j1911mcd
I am interested in your byf 41 sn 666a. Please let me know the price.
Jan
E-mail: jcstill@ak.net

Lugerdoc · 05-11-2009, 10:24 AM

Mike, Good catch on the E.German replacement TD lever. Unfortunately, I don't have a #66 Mauser to offer. Th

02-16-2009, 11:06 PM	#1
j1911mcd New User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Newbie with the Devil's Gun? Hello folks, Being new to this particular forum, I figured I would start off with something I believe to be unique. I have come to possess my first Luger. From what I've learned from this forum and other resources I have the following information to share: The Luger is a "byf" with a "41" above the chamber. Possibly Mauser manufactured in 1941? The bore gauge is marked "8,82" below the barrel. The suffix is an "a". The grips are black plastic (bakelite). Possibly a "black widow"? The parts all have the matching last two digits of the serial number which begs for the last bit of info...the serial number........ It is "666" with the "a" suffix of course!!! What the hell do I make of this? Obviously, any information that could be obtained would prove to be invaluable when it comes time to display/sell this piece. I will post pics soon so as to defer any doubts. Thank you for your assistance. J j1911mcd@aol.com

02-16-2009, 11:15 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi, You have a Mauser(byf)produced in 1941. It has been coined "Black Widow" by a collector/dealer as a marketing gimic, due to the black bakelite grips. Your was the 666th pistol produce in the second production, or "a" suffix block of 10,000 pistols. Welcome to the forum. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-17-2009, 12:01 AM	#5
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	That gun is cursed. My advise is to send it to me for immediate trip to a priest for proper disposal. Last edited by pipeman45; 02-17-2009 at 02:51 PM. Reason: to show it was in jest

02-17-2009, 03:49 PM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,541 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,742 Times in 1,020 Posts	E/135 Better yet, E/135 acceptance stamps... and looks pretty nice to boot! Best to you, til..lat'r..GT

02-18-2009, 02:01 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Now that's what I call a conversation piece! Odd...It has a post war GDR manufactured takedown lever. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=17490 __________________ Mike C.

02-16-2009, 11:09 PM	#2
lugercollector User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Hitlers personal Luger!!

02-16-2009, 11:57 PM	#4
cma22inc User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay FL Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	We'd like to gently steer other collectors away from using the term B---k W----w. It really is a made up gimic to over charge or boost the cost on the above mentioned item.

02-17-2009, 09:32 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	i assume tounge in cheek, as its just the 666th gun made, the germans did not skip serial number 3, 7 or 13, all (bad luck in some cultures), so.... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-17-2009, 01:16 PM	#8
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 244 Thanks: 5 Thanked 34 Times in 17 Posts	Nice gun. there is not much wear on that baby. Jerry

02-17-2009, 03:40 PM	#9
chuck17 User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fla Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Awesome! I would've bought it just for the S/N. Good catch.

02-17-2009, 07:42 PM	#11
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	WOW !! I would have bought it too for the ``numbers & looks`` !! Very nice, Bravo !!

02-18-2009, 05:27 PM	#13
j1911mcd New User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Gentlemen, Thank you so much for the feedback. It has been, without doubt, a conversation piece and then some. I am in the process of attempting to determine the history of the guns' travel to the United States. Currently, I am waiting on a response from the widow of the owner who received it from his grandfather. This is as much as I know right now. The information I've obtained thus far has been from this forum and a few texts, however, I am unfamiliar with acceptance marks and the GDR takedown lever difference. I did read the link, but am unable to determine whether or not this adds value or is simply an indifferent variant. My ballpark on this gun is in the 1400-1700 range. Does this make sense?

02-19-2009, 12:41 AM	#14
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	The GDR takedown levers are a different shape than the originals. The non origianal TD lever makes it mismatched and would devalue it. The original TD was numbered. It's such an interesting serial# though, so I don't know how much. I think your still in the ballpark with your price, but if it were all original, quite a bit more. __________________ Mike C.

05-10-2009, 01:36 PM	#15
j1911mcd New User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Gentlemen, As many of you know by now, the time has come to part with this pistol. I have responded to numerous individuals thus far from the board and continue to do so. I will not tie up bandwidth nor posts with any more additional pics as I've been asked for specific shots and find it easier to send them out directly via e-mail. It is my preference at this time to sell the gun to a sincere Luger collector and hence this post without a gun auction in cyberland. Should I have missed anyone with pics and/or info, please respond to me at j1911mcd@aol.com and I will reply as soon as I can. Thank you for your shared education and your overwhelming interest in this pistol.

05-10-2009, 01:57 PM	#16
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 544 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	I believe Jan Still is looking for a 1941 byf with 135 135 stamps. Tom

05-10-2009, 02:48 PM	#17
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	That is a very nice P08. I hope somebody on this or Jam's forum buys it. Charlie

05-10-2009, 11:12 PM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Try selling it to Seventh Day Adventist.

05-11-2009, 03:47 AM	#19
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	j1911mcd I am interested in your byf 41 sn 666a. Please let me know the price. Jan E-mail: jcstill@ak.net

05-11-2009, 10:24 AM	#20
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Mike, Good catch on the E.German replacement TD lever. Unfortunately, I don't have a #66 Mauser to offer. Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net