If you had a choice!!!

G.T. · 12-29-2008, 10:34 PM

If you had a choice..... What original P.08 Luger parts would you like to see reproduced???

... maybe on a scale of 1 to 10... This isn't a hollow question... most who really know me,... know that i'm just, tipped / twisted, enough to take on a project or two like this!!!!....

Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

jonnyc · 12-29-2008, 10:40 PM

OK, I'm curious. What parts are not readily available? I haven't needed much yet, but it was all available. What parts can't be easily found, as originals or repros?

Edward Tinker · 12-29-2008, 10:45 PM

Frames and receiver; especially in 45 ACP

frame #1
receiver #2
Triggers #3

Ed

Ron Wood · 12-29-2008, 11:37 PM

Dont know about "reproduced", but what about "made from scratch"? A rear toggle with an adjustable target sight would be a fun thing for the marksmen in our group. Then we could go for an adjustable match trigger, thumbrest grips, Marbles type beaded front sight...somebody please stop me, I'm out of control...

George Anderson · 12-30-2008, 08:32 AM

take-down lever and spring

John Sabato · 12-30-2008, 10:18 AM

GT,

You and I had long discussions once at your house and by email about the shortage of 9mm Navy (6") barrels with the appropriate higher front sight base... The availability of quality parts has not changed in the last few years...They are as scarce as fish fingernails.

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2008, 10:55 AM

GT..This is an interesting question that could be expanded on some. Like reproduction holsters..there is not much profit there. The market is saturated with cheap ones.
One must concentrate on the rare to have any interest or profit.
Like john says..there are no quality 6" barrels..
There is a short list of rare original parts..not just Luger parts.
One I have found in short supply is an Artillery stock iron spring. They are just impossible to find. Most people don't even know what they look like...Or that a stock iron even HAS a spring! That's another subject..

Anyway..there are rare and seldom found QUALITY parts. The main trouble is this..lets say you were able to produce a really high quality part like an Artillery stock iron spring. The time and effort to do it would be tremendous! How many would you sell over the rest of your life? Likely not enough to make such an effort worthwhile.
When you need a part like this you really need it though...

Jerry Burney

drbuster · 12-30-2008, 12:54 PM

I'd vote for model 1900 recoil tang "springs".

policeluger · 12-30-2008, 01:18 PM

GT...I'm heating up the bluing tanks.....gettin' ready for whatever you turn out....!!!!

John Sabato · 12-30-2008, 01:42 PM

The "Tang spring" project is something I have researched and is on a back burner for me... but I intend to find a way to make them. Profitable or not, somebody has to make them!

LugerVern · 12-30-2008, 04:43 PM

I guess breach blocks would be my first but high quality pins slightly over sized would be nice too.

Many shooter lugers are getting worn out and this would give years of life back to them by reducing the pounding a loose action causes.

You could sale the reamers also that way everyone is happy with the results with few returns.

Vern

George Anderson · 12-30-2008, 04:45 PM

Vern, if you need an oversized rear axel pin let me know. I have several that came in a box of parts I bought this past year.

G.T. · 12-30-2008, 05:37 PM

Great ideas and suggestions all... and Howard, alway great to have you in my corner!! (excellent blue! every time!) I'm getting bolder all the time.

As a matter of fact, great to have all of you guys in my corner ... keep on coming with the suggestions..everyone has a pet part they need... I would have thought sideplates would be number 1?? But not so, as it seems at the moment, pretty divided wants and needs.... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

lugerholsterrepair · 12-30-2008, 05:59 PM

GT..Yer right! I need an original Krieghoff sideplate. Now that's another rare part!

Jerry Burney

Sieger · 12-30-2008, 07:10 PM

G.T.

How about producing an entire Luger, one designed and manufactured after the late war Mauser pattern.

Sieger

P.S. An entire set of high quality springs would be a good start.

G.T. · 12-30-2008, 08:05 PM

Sieger..you have read my heart ... and also my mind...alas, my skills may not be up to that task...but it is the dream! ..

Best to you, til...lat'r....GT

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2008, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.T.

... I would have thought sideplates would be number 1??

I thought about that, but there are lots of plates out there, just they all seem to require "fitting"...

Ed

John Sabato · 12-31-2008, 08:08 AM

Ok Gerry... here is my last great idea... I have been saving this one for myself...

I know it will take forever for me to be able to do this... but you take the idea and run with it...

Start making reproduction .22 conversion kits... the parts seem pretty straightforward. They shouldn't require a whole lot of heat treating if you are using good steel, and the springs are simple... The only difficult piece would be the magazines, but you already have much expertise in that area...and I know you would produce a quality magazine.

In fact, I would create repro magazines first... sell a few and use the money to fund the rest of the project. Those mags are SCARCE...

If I was already retired (and who knows when that will be possible) I would already be doing this with CNC machining... Make them out of stainless (and aluminum where feasible) so they can't be resold boosted as originals... you should be able to sell a boatload of them to all the new and old Luger enthusiasts!

Happy New Year old friend!

Vlim · 12-31-2008, 10:08 AM

GT,

Good question. The normal 'wear and tear' parts with the ejector spring as number 1, as it is the part that is most likely to break during use. Most modern repros are pretty bad.

My top 5:
-Ejector.
-Extractor.
-sear bar leaf spring.
-side plates with functional trigger lever.
-main leaf spring for 1900 models.

I can hook you up with a construction drawing for the M1900 leaf spring if needed.

I almost forgot an important one:

The artillery luger front sight bits (there is a little spring in there as well). The LP08 front sights are notched and the first notches are usually worn off, causing the sight to jump forward at recoil.

G.T. · 12-31-2008, 11:52 AM

Great Idea John, it certainly has merit... I will contact you further on this.. Vlim, I would love the print of the 1900 mainspring... , and I also appreciate the list of desired items... If i commit to making a part, I usually make / have a minimum of 100, and a max of 1000, the reason is, fixtures and tooling are the same for 1 quality part, as they are for a 1000... but, making 1000 parts by hand is like a life sentence!!!

If i do make some of the above mentioned items, they will be my best effort, either in the prints i submit, or the hand work i do... to arrive at a quality replacement part... (I prefer this to repro..)

best to all, til...lat'r....GT

12-29-2008, 11:37 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Dont know about "reproduced", but what about "made from scratch"? A rear toggle with an adjustable target sight would be a fun thing for the marksmen in our group. Then we could go for an adjustable match trigger, thumbrest grips, Marbles type beaded front sight...somebody please stop me, I'm out of control... __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2008, 10:18 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	GT, You and I had long discussions once at your house and by email about the shortage of 9mm Navy (6") barrels with the appropriate higher front sight base... The availability of quality parts has not changed in the last few years...They are as scarce as fish fingernails. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-30-2008, 10:55 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	GT..This is an interesting question that could be expanded on some. Like reproduction holsters..there is not much profit there. The market is saturated with cheap ones. One must concentrate on the rare to have any interest or profit. Like john says..there are no quality 6" barrels.. There is a short list of rare original parts..not just Luger parts. One I have found in short supply is an Artillery stock iron spring. They are just impossible to find. Most people don't even know what they look like...Or that a stock iron even HAS a spring! That's another subject.. Anyway..there are rare and seldom found QUALITY parts. The main trouble is this..lets say you were able to produce a really high quality part like an Artillery stock iron spring. The time and effort to do it would be tremendous! How many would you sell over the rest of your life? Likely not enough to make such an effort worthwhile. When you need a part like this you really need it though... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2008, 01:42 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	The "Tang spring" project is something I have researched and is on a back burner for me... but I intend to find a way to make them. Profitable or not, somebody has to make them! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-30-2008, 05:37 PM	#13
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Hi to all... Great ideas and suggestions all... and Howard, alway great to have you in my corner!! (excellent blue! every time!) I'm getting bolder all the time. As a matter of fact, great to have all of you guys in my corner ... keep on coming with the suggestions..everyone has a pet part they need... I would have thought sideplates would be number 1?? But not so, as it seems at the moment, pretty divided wants and needs.... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

12-29-2008, 10:34 PM	#1
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	If you had a choice!!! If you had a choice..... What original P.08 Luger parts would you like to see reproduced??? ... maybe on a scale of 1 to 10... This isn't a hollow question... most who really know me,... know that i'm just, tipped / twisted, enough to take on a project or two like this!!!!.... Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

12-29-2008, 10:40 PM	#2
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	OK, I'm curious. What parts are not readily available? I haven't needed much yet, but it was all available. What parts can't be easily found, as originals or repros?

12-29-2008, 10:45 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Frames and receiver; especially in 45 ACP frame #1 receiver #2 Triggers #3 Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-30-2008, 08:32 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	take-down lever and spring

12-30-2008, 12:54 PM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I'd vote for model 1900 recoil tang "springs".

12-30-2008, 01:18 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	GT...I'm heating up the bluing tanks.....gettin' ready for whatever you turn out....!!!!

12-30-2008, 04:43 PM	#11
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	I guess breach blocks would be my first but high quality pins slightly over sized would be nice too. Many shooter lugers are getting worn out and this would give years of life back to them by reducing the pounding a loose action causes. You could sale the reamers also that way everyone is happy with the results with few returns. Vern

12-30-2008, 04:45 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Vern, if you need an oversized rear axel pin let me know. I have several that came in a box of parts I bought this past year.

12-30-2008, 05:59 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	GT..Yer right! I need an original Krieghoff sideplate. Now that's another rare part! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-30-2008, 07:10 PM	#15
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	G.T. How about producing an entire Luger, one designed and manufactured after the late war Mauser pattern. Sieger P.S. An entire set of high quality springs would be a good start.

12-30-2008, 08:05 PM	#16
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	yes...it would be fun... Sieger..you have read my heart ... and also my mind...alas, my skills may not be up to that task...but it is the dream! .. Best to you, til...lat'r....GT

12-31-2008, 08:08 AM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Ok Gerry... here is my last great idea... I have been saving this one for myself... I know it will take forever for me to be able to do this... but you take the idea and run with it... Start making reproduction .22 conversion kits... the parts seem pretty straightforward. They shouldn't require a whole lot of heat treating if you are using good steel, and the springs are simple... The only difficult piece would be the magazines, but you already have much expertise in that area...and I know you would produce a quality magazine. In fact, I would create repro magazines first... sell a few and use the money to fund the rest of the project. Those mags are SCARCE... If I was already retired (and who knows when that will be possible) I would already be doing this with CNC machining... Make them out of stainless (and aluminum where feasible) so they can't be resold boosted as originals... you should be able to sell a boatload of them to all the new and old Luger enthusiasts! Happy New Year old friend! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-31-2008, 10:08 AM	#19
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	GT, Good question. The normal 'wear and tear' parts with the ejector spring as number 1, as it is the part that is most likely to break during use. Most modern repros are pretty bad. My top 5: -Ejector. -Extractor. -sear bar leaf spring. -side plates with functional trigger lever. -main leaf spring for 1900 models. I can hook you up with a construction drawing for the M1900 leaf spring if needed. I almost forgot an important one: The artillery luger front sight bits (there is a little spring in there as well). The LP08 front sights are notched and the first notches are usually worn off, causing the sight to jump forward at recoil.

12-31-2008, 11:52 AM	#20
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	good ideas all! Great Idea John, it certainly has merit... I will contact you further on this.. Vlim, I would love the print of the 1900 mainspring... , and I also appreciate the list of desired items... If i commit to making a part, I usually make / have a minimum of 100, and a max of 1000, the reason is, fixtures and tooling are the same for 1 quality part, as they are for a 1000... but, making 1000 parts by hand is like a life sentence!!! If i do make some of the above mentioned items, they will be my best effort, either in the prints i submit, or the hand work i do... to arrive at a quality replacement part... (I prefer this to repro..) best to all, til...lat'r....GT