1902, loose stuff

StarOfTheWest · 01-16-2008, 04:26 PM

I have a 1902 I am cleaning, and the extractor seems *loose*.
Pulls right out very easily with fingertips.
Is there supposed to be a tiny coil spring under it?

Also noted a bit of looseness on the ejector spring on the right side.
It rattles a bit.
This does not seem normal.

What could be wrong here, please?

Ron Wood · 01-16-2008, 04:40 PM

Both the extractor and the ejector are springs themselves, so there are no auxillary "tiny coil springs". Evidently they have lost a bit of their temper over time, but since I doubt that you are going to shoot your '02, there isn't much danger of them coming out and getting lost. Is the little lug on the bottom of the extractor that engagages the hole in the breechblock to hold it in place intact? I don't know of a source (maybe lugerdoc?) but I have heard tell that there are some excellent repro extractors out there if you really get the urge to make the gun a little less "loose".

Pete Ebbink · 01-16-2008, 04:42 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=17854

Vendor link added :

http://www.waffen-crottet.ch/

Ron Wood · 01-16-2008, 04:43 PM

Well there you go! Pete to the rescue.

StarOfTheWest · 01-16-2008, 04:54 PM

Thanks very much for the link.
I tried swapping out the extractor with the one from the 1900 Parts Gun, and am still concerned about the looseness.
I did check to be sure the peg was seated into the hole when I changed them out, and it still seems loose.
You're right, this is no shooter, but if I ever want to take it for Show and Brag to a gun show, and they plastic wire tie the action open, it actually looks like it could work its way loose and fall out.
Any ideas on the right side leaf spring rattling?
None of the others do this.

Edit to add:
Thought of an easy solution to the gun show dilemma.
I'll just get it a trigger lock to "show safe" when wandering around the aisles with it.

Pete Ebbink · 01-16-2008, 05:06 PM

Anna,

At many gun shows, they still want the white plastic tie through the barrel and looped on itself.

A trigger lock on the trigger guard still does not guarantee there is not a live round in the chamber that could be managed to discharge otherwise...ESPECIALLY with a Luger.

StarOfTheWest · 01-16-2008, 05:55 PM

You're absolutely right, Pete, thanks.
What was I thinking?
No gun show brags with this one then.
Thanks again.

Ron Wood · 01-16-2008, 06:14 PM

I never let them put a tie through the barrel since it almost always will interfere with the extractor when you close the action and possibly damage it. I loop the tie around the rear of the frame and in front of the toggle knobs and pull the tie tight, that makes it impossible to operate the action. That serves two purposes, it satisfies the need to render the gun safe and it keeps lookieloos from racking the action. I have never had a gun show inspector object to this method of securing a Luger. As far as there being a live round in the chamber, the extractor tells you at a glance if it is unloaded (that includes a 1900 and 1902).

I have no idea why the extractor is still loose after you swapped it out with the 1900, unless both extractors are suffering from a loss of temper (not unlikely since I am almost that old and I occasionally lose my temper

). The same goes for the ejector. The other option is too horrible to think about, and that is if someone hogged out the center tab hole for the ejector in the receiver.

wlyon · 01-16-2008, 06:49 PM

The extractor does have a small coil spring under it. Not sure what would happen without it but it's there. If you removed the extractor and there wasn't a spring in a small indentation in the breech block you need a small spring. Bill

Ron Wood · 01-16-2008, 06:53 PM

Bill,
I am sorry to disagree, but there isn't a spring under a 1900/02 extractor. The extractor itself is a spring.
(By the way, I am glad you have added your handsome face as your avatar...it is nice to see good forum friends and hopefully be able to see them "for real" some day!).

Lugerdoc · 01-17-2008, 08:41 AM

Anna et al, I do now have a few new perfect copies of the M1900 extractor & ejector, in the $50 to $100 range. TH hellerarms@webtv.net

wlyon · 01-17-2008, 09:33 AM

Ron; I stand corrected. Is it after the 1900-02 that the extractor has a spring? So little time and so many facts. Thanks for setting me straight. Bill

Ron Wood · 01-17-2008, 10:50 AM

Bill,
Yes, the extractor with the separate spring was a feature of the "New Model" of 1906 (the new model breechblock with the improved extractor actually made its first appearance with the 03/04 Navy and the so-called 1903 French commercial). The 1900-02 extractor was a one piece spring. I swiped the following photo from Pete's link to Guisan's post.

01-16-2008, 04:26 PM	#1
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	1902, loose stuff I have a 1902 I am cleaning, and the extractor seems loose. Pulls right out very easily with fingertips. Is there supposed to be a tiny coil spring under it? Also noted a bit of looseness on the ejector spring on the right side. It rattles a bit. This does not seem normal. What could be wrong here, please? __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-16-2008, 04:40 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Both the extractor and the ejector are springs themselves, so there are no auxillary "tiny coil springs". Evidently they have lost a bit of their temper over time, but since I doubt that you are going to shoot your '02, there isn't much danger of them coming out and getting lost. Is the little lug on the bottom of the extractor that engagages the hole in the breechblock to hold it in place intact? I don't know of a source (maybe lugerdoc?) but I have heard tell that there are some excellent repro extractors out there if you really get the urge to make the gun a little less "loose". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-16-2008, 04:43 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Well there you go! Pete to the rescue. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-16-2008, 04:54 PM	#5
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Thanks very much for the link. I tried swapping out the extractor with the one from the 1900 Parts Gun, and am still concerned about the looseness. I did check to be sure the peg was seated into the hole when I changed them out, and it still seems loose. You're right, this is no shooter, but if I ever want to take it for Show and Brag to a gun show, and they plastic wire tie the action open, it actually looks like it could work its way loose and fall out. Any ideas on the right side leaf spring rattling? None of the others do this. Edit to add: Thought of an easy solution to the gun show dilemma. I'll just get it a trigger lock to "show safe" when wandering around the aisles with it. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-16-2008, 05:55 PM	#7
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	You're absolutely right, Pete, thanks. What was I thinking? No gun show brags with this one then. Thanks again. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

01-16-2008, 04:42 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=17854 Vendor link added : http://www.waffen-crottet.ch/

01-16-2008, 05:06 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Anna, At many gun shows, they still want the white plastic tie through the barrel and looped on itself. A trigger lock on the trigger guard still does not guarantee there is not a live round in the chamber that could be managed to discharge otherwise...ESPECIALLY with a Luger.

01-16-2008, 06:14 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I never let them put a tie through the barrel since it almost always will interfere with the extractor when you close the action and possibly damage it. I loop the tie around the rear of the frame and in front of the toggle knobs and pull the tie tight, that makes it impossible to operate the action. That serves two purposes, it satisfies the need to render the gun safe and it keeps lookieloos from racking the action. I have never had a gun show inspector object to this method of securing a Luger. As far as there being a live round in the chamber, the extractor tells you at a glance if it is unloaded (that includes a 1900 and 1902). I have no idea why the extractor is still loose after you swapped it out with the 1900, unless both extractors are suffering from a loss of temper (not unlikely since I am almost that old and I occasionally lose my temper ). The same goes for the ejector. The other option is too horrible to think about, and that is if someone hogged out the center tab hole for the ejector in the receiver. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-16-2008, 06:49 PM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	The extractor does have a small coil spring under it. Not sure what would happen without it but it's there. If you removed the extractor and there wasn't a spring in a small indentation in the breech block you need a small spring. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

01-16-2008, 06:53 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Bill, I am sorry to disagree, but there isn't a spring under a 1900/02 extractor. The extractor itself is a spring. (By the way, I am glad you have added your handsome face as your avatar...it is nice to see good forum friends and hopefully be able to see them "for real" some day!). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-17-2008, 08:41 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Anna et al, I do now have a few new perfect copies of the M1900 extractor & ejector, in the $50 to $100 range. TH hellerarms@webtv.net __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-17-2008, 09:33 AM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	Ron; I stand corrected. Is it after the 1900-02 that the extractor has a spring? So little time and so many facts. Thanks for setting me straight. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

01-17-2008, 10:50 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Bill, Yes, the extractor with the separate spring was a feature of the "New Model" of 1906 (the new model breechblock with the improved extractor actually made its first appearance with the 03/04 Navy and the so-called 1903 French commercial). The 1900-02 extractor was a one piece spring. I swiped the following photo from Pete's link to Guisan's post. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction