relining artillery luger to 7.65mm luger ?

lfid · 01-20-2007, 11:55 PM

Im considering a very worn finish artillery luger with very poor bore in 9mm
and want to keep the original exterior as part of a restoration idea

would it be reasonable and safe to have it relined to 30 cal ?
would the rechamber to 30 cal even be possible ?

anybody know of good shop in US to have this or similiar work done / cost ?

does a worn out barrel mean many rounds / lots of heat thru the barrel ?

how much effect on value would poor bore have on a rust reblue restore
that attempts to keep most markings albeit they be softer ?

thanks for any comments / better ideas

Bill

DaveinTN · 01-21-2007, 12:23 AM

Bill,

You might try Redmans's Rifling & Rebore. I learned about them from an old entry in the forum. Here's their link:

http://www.redmansrifling.com/index.htm

I contacted them about a month ago about reboring a Luger with a bore that looked like a sewer..... I didn't ask them about a new barrel liner.... Give them a try, the worst you can get is a "no."

Good Luck and let us know how it works out!

Dave in TN.

Ron Wood · 01-21-2007, 12:43 AM

Have you tried shooting your arty? A poor bore does not necessarily mean it won't be accurate. I have shot Lugers with a bore that looked like a sewer pipe. They worked fine and put the rounds where I pointed them.

pipeman45 · 01-21-2007, 03:03 AM

I'll second that.
I bought an old 6.5X55 with the bore looked like 10 mile of bad road. I got it for a song with thoughts of a new custom barrel. A good friend told me to clean it and try it out before I did anything . It scrubbed it for a week and shot one of my best groups ever. I still kick myself for letting him talk me out of it.

DaveinTN · 01-21-2007, 04:54 AM

I guess I should have qualified my suggestion. Every gun I've every fired has had a shiny bore. I've never shot anything else.

I do get concerned when the texture of the bore looks like it will take the jacket off the bullet like a rasp. I've passed up several pistols because I couldn't get the price down low enough to justify installing a new barrel.

They looked fine on the outside but really terrible when I've lit up the bore...

I still have some more to learn....

Dave in TN

Tobruk42 · 01-21-2007, 08:39 AM

Interesting topic. I have a 1918 DWM that has without doubt *the* worst looking bore that I have ever seen. So bad that you just want to turn your eyes away when you look up through there. However, I was shocked to discover that it is the most accurate of all my Lugers...hands down. The next worst bore in the group is a 1917 Erfurt and it is next most accurate. So I no longer turn down a shooter with a bad looking bore ...but I just can't get used to it in spite of how well they shoot.

lfid · 01-28-2007, 03:51 AM

recent inquiry to redmans - answer was he does not do luger , but does 30 cal relines on mauser c96 at about $100. does not do 9mm relines on c96

Ive decided to abandon this artillery restoration idea and focus on a custom target luger of some sort , likely using a mauser parabellum as a base gun

thanks for all the comments

Bill

Lugerdoc · 01-28-2007, 08:45 AM

I can have your LPO8 barrel relined to 7.65 or 9mm for $200 if you decide to do it. TH

01-20-2007, 11:55 PM	#1
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	relining artillery luger to 7.65mm luger ? Im considering a very worn finish artillery luger with very poor bore in 9mm and want to keep the original exterior as part of a restoration idea would it be reasonable and safe to have it relined to 30 cal ? would the rechamber to 30 cal even be possible ? anybody know of good shop in US to have this or similiar work done / cost ? does a worn out barrel mean many rounds / lots of heat thru the barrel ? how much effect on value would poor bore have on a rust reblue restore that attempts to keep most markings albeit they be softer ? thanks for any comments / better ideas Bill

01-21-2007, 12:43 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Have you tried shooting your arty? A poor bore does not necessarily mean it won't be accurate. I have shot Lugers with a bore that looked like a sewer pipe. They worked fine and put the rounds where I pointed them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-21-2007, 03:03 AM	#4
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'll second that. I bought an old 6.5X55 with the bore looked like 10 mile of bad road. I got it for a song with thoughts of a new custom barrel. A good friend told me to clean it and try it out before I did anything . It scrubbed it for a week and shot one of my best groups ever. I still kick myself for letting him talk me out of it. __________________ Dave

01-28-2007, 03:51 AM	#7
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	update recent inquiry to redmans - answer was he does not do luger , but does 30 cal relines on mauser c96 at about $100. does not do 9mm relines on c96 Ive decided to abandon this artillery restoration idea and focus on a custom target luger of some sort , likely using a mauser parabellum as a base gun thanks for all the comments Bill

01-28-2007, 08:45 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	I can have your LPO8 barrel relined to 7.65 or 9mm for $200 if you decide to do it. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-21-2007, 12:23 AM	#2
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Bill, You might try Redmans's Rifling & Rebore. I learned about them from an old entry in the forum. Here's their link: http://www.redmansrifling.com/index.htm I contacted them about a month ago about reboring a Luger with a bore that looked like a sewer..... I didn't ask them about a new barrel liner.... Give them a try, the worst you can get is a "no." Good Luck and let us know how it works out! Dave in TN.

01-21-2007, 04:54 AM	#5
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	I guess I should have qualified my suggestion. Every gun I've every fired has had a shiny bore. I've never shot anything else. I do get concerned when the texture of the bore looks like it will take the jacket off the bullet like a rasp. I've passed up several pistols because I couldn't get the price down low enough to justify installing a new barrel. They looked fine on the outside but really terrible when I've lit up the bore... I still have some more to learn.... Dave in TN

01-21-2007, 08:39 AM	#6
Tobruk42 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Interesting topic. I have a 1918 DWM that has without doubt the worst looking bore that I have ever seen. So bad that you just want to turn your eyes away when you look up through there. However, I was shocked to discover that it is the most accurate of all my Lugers...hands down. The next worst bore in the group is a 1917 Erfurt and it is next most accurate. So I no longer turn down a shooter with a bad looking bore ...but I just can't get used to it in spite of how well they shoot.