take down spring

equinehat · 01-18-2006, 06:24 PM

I can not find what a take down spring looks like, does any one have a photo and how it installs? I see the pin on the bottom of the frame, thanks

equinehat · 01-19-2006, 07:43 AM

do I need the take down spring? it was working with out it?

Edward Tinker · 01-19-2006, 08:44 AM

have you looked in our technical section? There are pictures and a breakdown chart there...

Vlim · 01-19-2006, 08:55 AM

Hi,

The takedown spring is an L-shaped spring with the shorter part of the L sticking vertically into the bottom of the frame. The Longer part of the L rests flat in a small groove underneath the takedown lever in the lever hole.

You certainly need one. If you fire a pistol without a takedown spring, the lever will most likely go into the dismantle position upon recoil. This will lead to the interesting experience of your pistol fieldstripping itself during operation.

equinehat · 01-19-2006, 10:58 AM

could some one post a photo of the take down sping?
I have a pin that is still in the frame of the gun, just under the spring slot.
Do I need this pin or is it what is left of the take down sping that is missing? The pin looks like a smaller version of the one in the middle toggle that holds that pin in. thanks for the hlep guys.

Lugerdoc · 01-19-2006, 11:02 AM

Gerben, I like your accurate discription. Sometimes if the luger has an ill fitting side plate or bent TD lever, it will fire fine without the spring, but take down will usually be difficult. TH

Dwight Gruber · 01-19-2006, 12:05 PM

Sorry, I don't have a picture of one. The "pin" still in the frame is what is left; the rest of the spring is broken away from it.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 01-19-2006, 01:40 PM

Here you go... here is a photo taken from an eBay auction by our member named Pisto... he sells on ebay as Pisto.lero and if you do an advanced search for completed listings I see that the last spring he tried to auction didn't get any bids...

Lugerdoc would also be a source for this spring...

equinehat · 01-19-2006, 01:50 PM

thanks, I see exactly how it works now.

Snakeman · 01-24-2006, 06:04 PM

If you look at the exploded view drawing of the P08 (as shown on many websites), you will not find the spring shown at all (it should have part number 26 ((or on some sites, "026")), and all parts after should have one number higher than on the drawing). The exploded view drawing of the old model 1900-1902 shows the spring as part # 17.

equinehat · 01-25-2006, 11:41 AM

I recieved the take down spring, and started to install it.
When the right side of the spring was in the deepest part of the slot, I needed to tap down the left side. I tapped and half the spring broke off. I had to keep tapping the left side, I used a punch and lightly tapped. I got it to go down into the slot and enough sticks up to make the take down lever move with some friction so as to keep it in place. Has any one had a cheap take down spring before?
It did not act like spring steel, I did not tap on it very hard, It will work, it is just not a perfect install.
Your thought wanted. thanks

Dwight Gruber · 01-25-2006, 01:49 PM

equinehat,

Did you get an original spring, or a reproduction? In my experience, the part of the repro spring that sticks down into the bottom of the frame is slightly oversized, and needs to be 'filed to fit'. I have broken the spring trying to get the oversized piece -out- so I could fix it. I think these things are somewhat fragile, particularly in the area where they bend 90-degrees to enter the frame.

As an aside, I did a broken-part survey a few years ago http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...n+parts+survey and discovered that this spring is the second most commonly broken part on a Luger.

I'd say pick up another one--original, if possible--and try it again, a little more carefully.

--Dwight

01-18-2006, 06:24 PM	#1
equinehat Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	take down spring I can not find what a take down spring looks like, does any one have a photo and how it installs? I see the pin on the bottom of the frame, thanks

01-19-2006, 08:44 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	have you looked in our technical section? There are pictures and a breakdown chart there... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-19-2006, 11:02 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Gerben, I like your accurate discription. Sometimes if the luger has an ill fitting side plate or bent TD lever, it will fire fine without the spring, but take down will usually be difficult. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-19-2006, 01:40 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Here you go... here is a photo taken from an eBay auction by our member named Pisto... he sells on ebay as Pisto.lero and if you do an advanced search for completed listings I see that the last spring he tried to auction didn't get any bids... Lugerdoc would also be a source for this spring... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-25-2006, 11:41 AM	#11
equinehat Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	take down spring, I recieved the take down spring, and started to install it. When the right side of the spring was in the deepest part of the slot, I needed to tap down the left side. I tapped and half the spring broke off. I had to keep tapping the left side, I used a punch and lightly tapped. I got it to go down into the slot and enough sticks up to make the take down lever move with some friction so as to keep it in place. Has any one had a cheap take down spring before? It did not act like spring steel, I did not tap on it very hard, It will work, it is just not a perfect install. Your thought wanted. thanks

01-19-2006, 07:43 AM	#2
equinehat Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	do I need the take down spring? it was working with out it?

01-19-2006, 08:55 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The takedown spring is an L-shaped spring with the shorter part of the L sticking vertically into the bottom of the frame. The Longer part of the L rests flat in a small groove underneath the takedown lever in the lever hole. You certainly need one. If you fire a pistol without a takedown spring, the lever will most likely go into the dismantle position upon recoil. This will lead to the interesting experience of your pistol fieldstripping itself during operation.

01-19-2006, 10:58 AM	#5
equinehat Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	could some one post a photo of the take down sping? I have a pin that is still in the frame of the gun, just under the spring slot. Do I need this pin or is it what is left of the take down sping that is missing? The pin looks like a smaller version of the one in the middle toggle that holds that pin in. thanks for the hlep guys.

01-19-2006, 12:05 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Sorry, I don't have a picture of one. The "pin" still in the frame is what is left; the rest of the spring is broken away from it. --Dwight

01-19-2006, 01:50 PM	#9
equinehat Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks, I see exactly how it works now.

01-24-2006, 06:04 PM	#10
Snakeman User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you look at the exploded view drawing of the P08 (as shown on many websites), you will not find the spring shown at all (it should have part number 26 ((or on some sites, "026")), and all parts after should have one number higher than on the drawing). The exploded view drawing of the old model 1900-1902 shows the spring as part # 17.

01-25-2006, 01:49 PM	#12
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	equinehat, Did you get an original spring, or a reproduction? In my experience, the part of the repro spring that sticks down into the bottom of the frame is slightly oversized, and needs to be 'filed to fit'. I have broken the spring trying to get the oversized piece -out- so I could fix it. I think these things are somewhat fragile, particularly in the area where they bend 90-degrees to enter the frame. As an aside, I did a broken-part survey a few years ago http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...n+parts+survey and discovered that this spring is the second most commonly broken part on a Luger. I'd say pick up another one--original, if possible--and try it again, a little more carefully. --Dwight