.30 Luger question

Dwight Gruber · 10-04-2005, 04:38 PM

Did any other manufacturer ever design and market a gun chambered in .30 Luger?

--Dwight

George Anderson · 10-04-2005, 04:43 PM

Dwight, I believe that Fabrique Nationale did or does a Browning High Power in .30 parabellum. It's got to be a great hand gun.

SteveM · 10-04-2005, 06:36 PM

FN Browning HP
Bernadelli
Ruger
Sig 210
Walther P38
Colt 1911(I seem to remember about a very limited few, I am sure a Colt collector will chime in)

plus maybe a couple others that I can't recall.

Hugh · 10-04-2005, 09:43 PM

I have a Browning HP, a Walther P38, a Ruger P89, and a Colt Commander in 30 Luger, I believe that Walther also made the P5 in 30 L.

Lugerdoc · 10-05-2005, 08:44 AM

Most European makers of 9mmP pistols also offer them in .30 luger for the Italian market where civilian possession of 9mm pistols is prohibited. So you can probably add most large Berettas and other Italian makers to the list. TH

unspellable · 10-05-2005, 09:07 AM

The Glisenti was originally chambered in 7.65 mm Parabvellum (30 Luger) before the advent of the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge.

The Polish Radom was chambered for the 7.65.

Ther are persistent rumors that a very very few Mauser C96 Broomhandles were so chambered.

Various submachine guns have been so chambered.

There are S&W M39 's in 7.65 mm, I'm not sure if factory issue or conversions.

I have a Ruger P89 in 7.65 mm, I suspect Hugh's Ruger P39 is really a P89.

(I have this problem all the time, fingers get ahead of the brain while typing.)

Hugh · 10-05-2005, 12:44 PM

I get all them "P's" confused!

Dwight Gruber · 10-05-2005, 01:13 PM

Thanks, guys, for the info. It all makes a lot of sense, and I am familiar with a couple of the conversion kits.

The gist of my question, though, was more to discover if a pre-war (WWI, that is) manufacturer jumped on the bandwagon and devised a pistol to shoot what was, at that time, a very prominent cartridge. From the nature of the replys, maybe not.

Also, according to Ezell (p.470) the 1906 Glisenti was chambered for a 7.65x22 cartridge, but the shoulder was closer to the case mouth than the .30 Luger, and the powder charge was reduced.

--Dwight

lugerholsterrepair · 10-05-2005, 02:49 PM

Dwight, to follow up on the Glisinti and add to your informatinve post..it was manufactured in 9MM as well but at a very reduced charge. It is dangerous to fire a Glisinti with modern 9MM ammo. It's not built to stand it. Jerry Burney

SteveM · 02-20-2006, 07:19 PM

P5 on gunbroker in 7.65mm Luger...

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44127775

John Sabato · 02-21-2006, 07:45 AM

BTW folks... I had the disctinct pleasure of serving in the U.S. Army in Italy for almost 7 years. My Italian national friends explained to me that it is not 9mm that is a banned caliber, just the 9mm Parabellum or 9x19, because it was/is a standard Italian military issue cartridge... Hence was born the 9mmx21... that was created to fill this gap. A slightly more powerful cartridge, but it won't fit the mag well of a lot of 9mm P pistols. Some time ago (years) I examined a wartime P.08 that had been converted by a gunsmith to fire the 9x21 cartridge...

Lugerdoc · 02-22-2006, 09:05 AM

John S et al, You're right. I once owned a Colt 70 series in 9mm Steyr that was destine for the Italian market. I question whether FB ever produced any pre 1945 Radoms in 7.65P. I do have a Nazi proof barrel available @$75 that has been relined to .30 luger for anyone who is interested. I also have new Radom recoil spring assemblies available, for anyone who is having trouble with their old original. TH

10-04-2005, 04:38 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	.30 Luger question Did any other manufacturer ever design and market a gun chambered in .30 Luger? --Dwight

10-04-2005, 09:43 PM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I have a Browning HP, a Walther P38, a Ruger P89, and a Colt Commander in 30 Luger, I believe that Walther also made the P5 in 30 L. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-05-2005, 08:44 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Most European makers of 9mmP pistols also offer them in .30 luger for the Italian market where civilian possession of 9mm pistols is prohibited. So you can probably add most large Berettas and other Italian makers to the list. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-05-2005, 12:44 PM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I get all them "P's" confused! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-05-2005, 02:49 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Dwight, to follow up on the Glisinti and add to your informatinve post..it was manufactured in 9MM as well but at a very reduced charge. It is dangerous to fire a Glisinti with modern 9MM ammo. It's not built to stand it. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-04-2005, 04:43 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Dwight, I believe that Fabrique Nationale did or does a Browning High Power in .30 parabellum. It's got to be a great hand gun.

10-04-2005, 06:36 PM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	FN Browning HP Bernadelli Ruger Sig 210 Walther P38 Colt 1911(I seem to remember about a very limited few, I am sure a Colt collector will chime in) plus maybe a couple others that I can't recall.

10-05-2005, 09:07 AM	#6
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	The Glisenti was originally chambered in 7.65 mm Parabvellum (30 Luger) before the advent of the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge. The Polish Radom was chambered for the 7.65. Ther are persistent rumors that a very very few Mauser C96 Broomhandles were so chambered. Various submachine guns have been so chambered. There are S&W M39 's in 7.65 mm, I'm not sure if factory issue or conversions. I have a Ruger P89 in 7.65 mm, I suspect Hugh's Ruger P39 is really a P89. (I have this problem all the time, fingers get ahead of the brain while typing.)

10-05-2005, 01:13 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Thanks, guys, for the info. It all makes a lot of sense, and I am familiar with a couple of the conversion kits. The gist of my question, though, was more to discover if a pre-war (WWI, that is) manufacturer jumped on the bandwagon and devised a pistol to shoot what was, at that time, a very prominent cartridge. From the nature of the replys, maybe not. Also, according to Ezell (p.470) the 1906 Glisenti was chambered for a 7.65x22 cartridge, but the shoulder was closer to the case mouth than the .30 Luger, and the powder charge was reduced. --Dwight

02-20-2006, 07:19 PM	#10
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	P5 on gunbroker in 7.65mm Luger... http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44127775

02-21-2006, 07:45 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	BTW folks... I had the disctinct pleasure of serving in the U.S. Army in Italy for almost 7 years. My Italian national friends explained to me that it is not 9mm that is a banned caliber, just the 9mm Parabellum or 9x19, because it was/is a standard Italian military issue cartridge... Hence was born the 9mmx21... that was created to fill this gap. A slightly more powerful cartridge, but it won't fit the mag well of a lot of 9mm P pistols. Some time ago (years) I examined a wartime P.08 that had been converted by a gunsmith to fire the 9x21 cartridge... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-22-2006, 09:05 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	John S et al, You're right. I once owned a Colt 70 series in 9mm Steyr that was destine for the Italian market. I question whether FB ever produced any pre 1945 Radoms in 7.65P. I do have a Nazi proof barrel available @$75 that has been relined to .30 luger for anyone who is interested. I also have new Radom recoil spring assemblies available, for anyone who is having trouble with their old original. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net