Markings on a 1911 DWM

Balder · 02-23-2005, 02:29 AM

Gentlemen,

I came across this 1911 DWM the other day - can anybody help identify the markings? Thanks!

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/gripmark.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/framemark.jpg

Regards,

Balder

George Anderson · 02-23-2005, 05:14 AM

Bavarian 8th Regiment, 5th Company.

Claven2 · 02-23-2005, 09:52 AM

Does it havea hold-open? Aparently Bavarian guns are more likely to not have one.

Balder · 02-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Thanks George, a nice piece of information. I'm still curious about the markings on the frame, I cannot find them in Davis' "The Luger Handbook" which, unfortunately, is the only Luger reference book I have right now.

Claven2, my gun does not have a hold-open function, there's not even a cut-out in the frame for one.

Is this a regular P-08 made in 1911? If not, what is it?

Regards,

Balder

Ron Wood · 02-23-2005, 05:06 PM

Looks like a regular P-08 made in 1911 to me. The receiver marks are known examples of inspectors marks and Army acceptance.

Pete Ebbink · 02-23-2005, 08:55 PM

Hey Ron,

Check your PM's...regarding another topic...

Pete...

Claven2 · 02-24-2005, 11:07 AM

Shortly before WW1 started, all P08 Lugers without hold opens were ordered upgraded to the hold open standard. Due to delays in Bavaria trying to get permission to obtain tooling and do the conversion in Bavaria, and due to the entire production volume of DWM and Erfurt being taxed to supply the Army, many of the Bavarian Lugers did not get upgraded before the start of hostilities, while most Lugers in other parts of Germany did undergo conversion.

Today, finding Lugers that don't even have the hold open milling is an uncommon occurence. I don't know if it's rare, exactly, but certainly it's outside the norm. Most often these hold-opnless Lugers turn out to have Bavarian ties.

Balder · 02-24-2005, 12:35 PM

Claven2,

Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.

I don't want to keep posting the same questions on two sites so I'll try to continue this string at:

http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3962

Regards,

Balder

Ron Wood · 02-24-2005, 01:16 PM

Balder,
I have done a little photo analysis on your markings on the gunborards thread that you have linked.

Balder · 02-24-2005, 01:30 PM

Ron,

Thanks, I noticed - which is part of the reason why I wanted to focus on one board. I hope this is not interpreted in a bad way, I just wanted to try and keep the discussion on one board.

Balder

John Sabato · 02-24-2005, 04:39 PM

Balder,

My advice is to throw the Aaron Davis book away... it is almost worthless to collectors because of errors. I tossed mine out several years ago.

02-23-2005, 02:29 AM	#1
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Markings on a 1911 DWM Gentlemen, I came across this 1911 DWM the other day - can anybody help identify the markings? Thanks! http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/gripmark.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/framemark.jpg Regards, Balder

02-23-2005, 05:06 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Looks like a regular P-08 made in 1911 to me. The receiver marks are known examples of inspectors marks and Army acceptance. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-24-2005, 01:16 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Balder, I have done a little photo analysis on your markings on the gunborards thread that you have linked. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-24-2005, 04:39 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Balder, My advice is to throw the Aaron Davis book away... it is almost worthless to collectors because of errors. I tossed mine out several years ago. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-23-2005, 05:14 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Bavarian 8th Regiment, 5th Company.

02-23-2005, 09:52 AM	#3
Claven2 User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does it havea hold-open? Aparently Bavarian guns are more likely to not have one.

02-23-2005, 04:48 PM	#4
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Thanks George, a nice piece of information. I'm still curious about the markings on the frame, I cannot find them in Davis' "The Luger Handbook" which, unfortunately, is the only Luger reference book I have right now. Claven2, my gun does not have a hold-open function, there's not even a cut-out in the frame for one. Is this a regular P-08 made in 1911? If not, what is it? Regards, Balder

02-23-2005, 08:55 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Ron, Check your PM's...regarding another topic... Pete...

02-24-2005, 11:07 AM	#7
Claven2 User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shortly before WW1 started, all P08 Lugers without hold opens were ordered upgraded to the hold open standard. Due to delays in Bavaria trying to get permission to obtain tooling and do the conversion in Bavaria, and due to the entire production volume of DWM and Erfurt being taxed to supply the Army, many of the Bavarian Lugers did not get upgraded before the start of hostilities, while most Lugers in other parts of Germany did undergo conversion. Today, finding Lugers that don't even have the hold open milling is an uncommon occurence. I don't know if it's rare, exactly, but certainly it's outside the norm. Most often these hold-opnless Lugers turn out to have Bavarian ties.

02-24-2005, 12:35 PM	#8
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Claven2, Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I don't want to keep posting the same questions on two sites so I'll try to continue this string at: http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3962 Regards, Balder

02-24-2005, 01:30 PM	#10
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Ron, Thanks, I noticed - which is part of the reason why I wanted to focus on one board. I hope this is not interpreted in a bad way, I just wanted to try and keep the discussion on one board. Balder