Ku Luger

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 03:56 PM

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I just picked up a 41/42 Ku Luger along with the capture paper from the Vet who brought it back. This Luger is in excellent condition. With all matching serial numbers including the grips. It also came with a shoulder holster. I'm not convinced this is orginal to the pistol. I know this is one of the more controversial Lugers. Some think it was a Mauser contract Luger for the Kustenfliegerstafflen. Others think it was a Kreighoff rework. All I know is that their is no knowed Kreighoff proof marks that matches the Ku proof mark. Anyway I would like to know more about this Luger. And the Kustenfliegerstafflen

Edward Tinker · 12-27-2004, 04:03 PM

tenbears, can you provide pictures, further info on all proofs?

Sounds like a pretty nice find! Any story on how the vet aquired it?

Ed

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 04:07 PM

Edward,
I would be please to post pictures. Could you tell me how to do it on this forum?

Edward Tinker · 12-27-2004, 04:09 PM

Click this URL
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=10885

Here is how John shows how to do it. You can actually post them in at least two ways, this is probably the easiest way that he shows.

Ensure you do ADD REPLY and NOT the Quick Reply block.

Ed

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 07:15 PM

Here are some pics, sorry I cant focus to close with the type of camera I have.

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 07:16 PM

2nd Pic

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 07:17 PM

3rd

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 07:17 PM

4th Pic

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 10:27 PM

Here are some more pics. In the well area their is a small u or o that is slanted into the S stamp. I have a 41/byf that only has a S stamped into it. Also if you look close their is a three dot stamp on the right side underneath the toggle assy. I belive this three dot stamp is a intial rejection stamp.

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 10:28 PM

1st

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 10:29 PM

2nd

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 10:29 PM

3rd

tenbears · 12-27-2004, 10:30 PM

4th

Johnny C. Kitchens · 12-28-2004, 09:02 PM

Full four digit serial numbers inside the grips!!! Is that normal for these???

trigger643 · 12-28-2004, 09:07 PM

can you post some pictures of the shoulder holster? I've had limited experience with these, but Lugerdoc and Lugerholsterrepairer can certainly have some input.

Leon DeSpain · 12-28-2004, 09:12 PM

Hi Johnny,

The 4 digit serial number on the grips seems to be normal for the "Ku" examples. Here is a link to my example that has all the ear marks of a "Ku" but doesn't have "Ku" stamped on it.

http://lmd-militaria.com/page540.html

Regards, Leon

tenbears · 12-28-2004, 10:46 PM

Trigger643,
Sorry I have already sold the holster. I'm sure it was a post war one. It had no markings and was tan. I have seen many period pictures of GI's wearing these. Usually with a Luger in it. The person I sold it too. Took some pictures of it. I will contact him and see if he would e-mail them too me.

Vlim · 12-30-2004, 01:54 PM

Hi Tenbears,

As you may have guessed, the KU in general is a version with lots of stories and not a lot of documented facts. As this one came from the Vet who brought it home, the vet's background story on how and where he obtained it can be important.

Do you have any background information on this gun's origins?

tenbears · 12-30-2004, 06:52 PM

G.van.Ulimmeren,
The WW11 Vet who I bought this Ku has since passed away. His wife has also given me his medals. Silver Star,Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Service Medal. This bothers me a bit. But she insisted I take them. As with most Veteran's wife's, mine included they dont know a whole lot of what they did while in the arm services.

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2004, 07:13 PM

tenbears, well, the medals with the gun, makes for one heck of a nice display! I think you could ask for his service record, see what the Silver Star was for? A Bronze Star can be gotten for doing something interesting but not dangerous, but usually a Silver Star is not just given away...

I asked for and received some basic info on a soldier that I had his serial number.

Ed

12-27-2004, 03:56 PM	#1
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Ku Luger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just picked up a 41/42 Ku Luger along with the capture paper from the Vet who brought it back. This Luger is in excellent condition. With all matching serial numbers including the grips. It also came with a shoulder holster. I'm not convinced this is orginal to the pistol. I know this is one of the more controversial Lugers. Some think it was a Mauser contract Luger for the Kustenfliegerstafflen. Others think it was a Kreighoff rework. All I know is that their is no knowed Kreighoff proof marks that matches the Ku proof mark. Anyway I would like to know more about this Luger. And the Kustenfliegerstafflen

12-27-2004, 04:03 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	tenbears, can you provide pictures, further info on all proofs? Sounds like a pretty nice find! Any story on how the vet aquired it? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-27-2004, 04:09 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Click this URL http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=10885 Here is how John shows how to do it. You can actually post them in at least two ways, this is probably the easiest way that he shows. Ensure you do ADD REPLY and NOT the Quick Reply block. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-27-2004, 07:15 PM	#5
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Here are some pics, sorry I cant focus to close with the type of camera I have. Attached Images

12-27-2004, 07:16 PM	#6
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12-27-2004, 04:07 PM	#3
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Edward, I would be please to post pictures. Could you tell me how to do it on this forum?

12-27-2004, 07:17 PM	#7
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	3rd Attached Images

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12-27-2004, 10:27 PM	#9
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Here are some more pics. In the well area their is a small u or o that is slanted into the S stamp. I have a 41/byf that only has a S stamped into it. Also if you look close their is a three dot stamp on the right side underneath the toggle assy. I belive this three dot stamp is a intial rejection stamp.

12-27-2004, 10:28 PM	#10
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	1st Attached Images

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tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	2nd Attached Images

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12-28-2004, 09:02 PM	#14
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Full four digit serial numbers inside the grips!!! Is that normal for these??? __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-28-2004, 09:07 PM	#15
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	can you post some pictures of the shoulder holster? I've had limited experience with these, but Lugerdoc and Lugerholsterrepairer can certainly have some input. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

12-28-2004, 09:12 PM	#16
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Johnny, The 4 digit serial number on the grips seems to be normal for the "Ku" examples. Here is a link to my example that has all the ear marks of a "Ku" but doesn't have "Ku" stamped on it. http://lmd-militaria.com/page540.html Regards, Leon

12-28-2004, 10:46 PM	#17
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Trigger643, Sorry I have already sold the holster. I'm sure it was a post war one. It had no markings and was tan. I have seen many period pictures of GI's wearing these. Usually with a Luger in it. The person I sold it too. Took some pictures of it. I will contact him and see if he would e-mail them too me.

12-30-2004, 01:54 PM	#18
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,049 Thanks: 1,035 Thanked 3,955 Times in 1,200 Posts	Hi Tenbears, As you may have guessed, the KU in general is a version with lots of stories and not a lot of documented facts. As this one came from the Vet who brought it home, the vet's background story on how and where he obtained it can be important. Do you have any background information on this gun's origins?

12-30-2004, 06:52 PM	#19
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	G.van.Ulimmeren, The WW11 Vet who I bought this Ku has since passed away. His wife has also given me his medals. Silver Star,Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Service Medal. This bothers me a bit. But she insisted I take them. As with most Veteran's wife's, mine included they dont know a whole lot of what they did while in the arm services.

12-30-2004, 07:13 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	tenbears, well, the medals with the gun, makes for one heck of a nice display! I think you could ask for his service record, see what the Silver Star was for? A Bronze Star can be gotten for doing something interesting but not dangerous, but usually a Silver Star is not just given away... I asked for and received some basic info on a soldier that I had his serial number. Ed