Odd Luger

Kyrie · 06-25-2017, 08:31 PM

Gentlemen,

I’m not sure what in Hades this Luger is.

I came across this Luger on Gun Broker while looking for a shooter. The seller called it a Sneak and put up lots of very nice photos. I didn’t (and don’t) believe this could be classed as a Sneak for any number of reasons, not the least of which is its serial number (669, NS). This is a Luger with very few visible markings. No chamber date, no proof or acceptance stamps on the right of the barrel extension. No serial number on the left side of the barrel extension, just the last two digits of the SN on the bottom of the barrel extension. Here are a few images:

Left side of Luger:

Right side of Luger:

Top of cannon:

Here is a look at the frame serial number, and the barrel where we would normally expect to find the barrel gage and barrel serial number:

Small parts are numbered, but numbered in the commercial style rather than the military style. Here is an example of that:

Barrel extension is numbered, but only with the last two digits of the full serial number:

The safety marking has been milled off, and was placed oddly. Here are images showing safety ON and OFF:

The (milled out) safety marking was placed so visible only when the safety was in the OFF position. Here is a close up of the milled out marking. Note that it is unlikely the German word “GESICHERT” would fit into the milled out space:

To me it’s just a shooter, but it’s an interesting guns. I’m eager to see your thoughts and opinions.

Best,

Kyrie

DonVoigt · 06-25-2017, 08:44 PM

1908(1911) Bulgarian frame with mixed rest of parts.
Likely an "Erma" post war rework/refurb; judging from the milled away Cyrillic "fire" marking and refinish style/color.

You should see holes on the very bottom of the frame for the Bulgarian lanyard loop as it was placed there. You will need to remove the grips to look.

DavidJayUden · 06-25-2017, 10:11 PM

Has the stock lug been ground or never there?
dju

DonVoigt · 06-25-2017, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Has the stock lug been ground or never there?
dju

The Bulgarian frames never had a lug.

DavidJayUden · 06-25-2017, 11:54 PM

Thanks!
dju

Lugerdoc · 06-26-2017, 12:36 PM

Your luger also have a Portugese inspector marked replacement barrel and has been hot dip reblued. TH

Kyrie · 06-26-2017, 05:43 PM

Here is a coda:

Edward Tinker · 06-26-2017, 07:41 PM

nice pictures - these guys knew more than me Kyrie!!

John Sabato · 06-27-2017, 12:23 PM

Larry! (Kyrie) Welcome back... Nice to hear from you on the forum after all these years... I thought you had liquidated your collection?

Regardless, nice to have you back among the fold again... Don't be a stranger!

Kyrie · 06-27-2017, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Your luger also have a Portugese inspector marked replacement barrel and has been hot dip reblued. TH

Tom,

Thank you for your input, and the link to Portugal. Is there some primary source I can go to for a more complete picture on the barrel marking and its connection to Portugal?

TIA!

Kyrie

Kyrie · 06-27-2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

Larry! (Kyrie) Welcome back... Nice to hear from you on the forum after all these years... I thought you had liquidated your collection?

Regardless, nice to have you back among the fold again... Don't be a stranger!

Hi John!

It's good to be back

I had given up collecting Lugers and sold off all but a Few Lugers that either had sentimental value, or were guns I shot.

It seems that while I gave up Luger collecting, Luger collecting has not given up me...

Warmly,

Kyrie

06-25-2017, 08:31 PM	#1
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Odd Luger Gentlemen, I’m not sure what in Hades this Luger is. I came across this Luger on Gun Broker while looking for a shooter. The seller called it a Sneak and put up lots of very nice photos. I didn’t (and don’t) believe this could be classed as a Sneak for any number of reasons, not the least of which is its serial number (669, NS). This is a Luger with very few visible markings. No chamber date, no proof or acceptance stamps on the right of the barrel extension. No serial number on the left side of the barrel extension, just the last two digits of the SN on the bottom of the barrel extension. Here are a few images: Left side of Luger: Right side of Luger: Top of cannon: Here is a look at the frame serial number, and the barrel where we would normally expect to find the barrel gage and barrel serial number: Small parts are numbered, but numbered in the commercial style rather than the military style. Here is an example of that: Barrel extension is numbered, but only with the last two digits of the full serial number: The safety marking has been milled off, and was placed oddly. Here are images showing safety ON and OFF: The (milled out) safety marking was placed so visible only when the safety was in the OFF position. Here is a close up of the milled out marking. Note that it is unlikely the German word “GESICHERT” would fit into the milled out space: To me it’s just a shooter, but it’s an interesting guns. I’m eager to see your thoughts and opinions. Best, Kyrie

06-25-2017, 08:44 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	1908(1911) Bulgarian frame with mixed rest of parts. Likely an "Erma" post war rework/refurb; judging from the milled away Cyrillic "fire" marking and refinish style/color. You should see holes on the very bottom of the frame for the Bulgarian lanyard loop as it was placed there. You will need to remove the grips to look. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-26-2017, 12:36 PM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Your luger also have a Portugese inspector marked replacement barrel and has been hot dip reblued. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-27-2017, 12:23 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Larry! (Kyrie) Welcome back... Nice to hear from you on the forum after all these years... I thought you had liquidated your collection? Regardless, nice to have you back among the fold again... Don't be a stranger! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-25-2017, 10:11 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Has the stock lug been ground or never there? dju

06-25-2017, 11:54 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Thanks! dju

06-26-2017, 05:43 PM	#7
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Here is a coda:

06-26-2017, 07:41 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	nice pictures - these guys knew more than me Kyrie!!