1917 arty...questions...

saltydecimator · 11-17-2010, 11:08 PM

hello, new to the luger world and this forum. hoping i didnt screw my self in this deal... problems i have wiht this gun and my limited reading/knowledge

-barrell witness mark is not aligned
-dont see numbers on grips (external or do you remove em?)
-dont see number on wood bottom mag (where?)
-pitting etc is not as pretty as some
-last but not least, hammer(?) will not fall when trigger is pulled, previous owner said he had a failure of some sort and then disassembled and couldnt get it back together.

i reinstalled the side plate, and put that double moon shaped thing in the correct spot i believe.

btw, traded this for a 1911 that i assembled. foster frame, sarco parts kit

i will post better pics witha real camera tomorrow. it died tonight in process while i was trying to get close ups of the barrel id.

oh, everyhing appears to match. i shall read/research/learn more tomorrow...

ball park value would be interesting with the current photos, info. thanks

Norme · 11-17-2010, 11:33 PM

Hi Alex, Welcome to the forum. I'm afraid we'll need better photos before we can help much. Grips are numbered on the inside, be careful removing the left one, it's easily chipped. Regards, norm

HuntMaster · 11-18-2010, 12:00 AM

Just off the bat, I'd say you did well if you traded a parts-built 1911 for this Arty.

saltydecimator · 11-18-2010, 06:34 AM

^ ha ha thats what i was thinking.

nukem556 · 11-18-2010, 12:42 PM

if all you gave was a 1911 parts gun, you did great! ummm.....but I'm really curious where the "double moon shaped thing" is ...... I can't find it on mine!

saltydecimator · 11-18-2010, 05:37 PM

what c? the thing to the farthest left in that pic right above here?

mrerick · 11-18-2010, 07:15 PM

Nice Arty!

I believe you're referring to the Take Down Lever.

What's the inside of the trigger plate look like?

MArc

saltydecimator · 11-18-2010, 10:06 PM

i dont see any numbers on the grips....

here is some clearer pics

the upper number says 20 82 like the rest of the gun, then there is a little squiggle mark, and then it says 3,82 or 8,82 with the other half of the eight cut off. whats that mean? something to do with the barrel being removed and reinstalled?

here is the sideplate etc with all the parts that i have for it. i am missing something somewhere on the gun, or something is broke. i have not found a good parts break down yet..

view from left side\\

serious Dr. mutt

mrerick · 11-18-2010, 10:17 PM

Hi,

The 8.82 is the barrel gauge in millimeters. It's the measurement from land to land within the barrel.

The good news is that the trigger transfer lever isn't properly installed inside the trigger plate. That's why things won't fire. Someone must have de-activated this to prevent someone (perhaps a child) from firing the gun.

The little round lever swings up and pulls out. Sometimes these are pretty stiff.

There are good diagrams of the Luger on this site.

It does look like the barrel's been off and re-installed for some reason.

Try taking your pictures outdoors in indirect light without the flash. It's hard to gauge the finish from these pictures. I don't see the "Halos" typically found around the barrel serial number, which may indicate it's been refinished.

Marc

saltydecimator · 11-18-2010, 10:31 PM

ah ok, thanks for the heads up on the pic taking tips, i havent taken a class, or readthe manwell, so i have no idea what i am doing....how about aprrox value? the button on the wooden mag is kinda mangled as well

saltydecimator · 11-18-2010, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster

Just off the bat, I'd say you did well if you traded a parts-built 1911 for this Arty.

ya, i lovedthat 1911 for the short time i had it. smoothest action i ever felt on one.... compared it to kimber, sti, and para.... springer as well...

mrerick · 11-18-2010, 10:44 PM

Again, without knowing the full finish condition, inside barrel condition and originality of the grips, it's hard to estimate value here.

I think an arty all matching and original finish would be worth $1200 at the low end, and the upper teens on average.

Be forewarned! The most costly thing on a Luger is the addiction that comes with it. You can feel the addiction as you hold your first Luger in your hand. The balance... The graceful design. And, in the case of an Arty, the long barrel and precision sights...

How are you going to keep that beautiful pup in clothes!!!

It's not too difficult to re-assemble your trigger plate or dis-assemble the Luger. Just take things slow, and don't force things. The little round pin in the trigger plate is sometime in there very snugly, so consider getting help from a gunsmith experienced with Lugers if you need it.

YouTube has some videos on disassembly / reassembly, so search there as well...

Again, welcome and congratulations on your Arty. You did very well in your exchange.

Marc

MFC · 11-19-2010, 02:06 AM

Alex,
This should help...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh9prVMYpM

saltydecimator · 11-19-2010, 06:36 AM

ya i checked out the bore last night, it is pretty dark and murky in there. i plan on scrubbing it out after deer season...

nukem556 · 11-21-2010, 09:06 PM

Cute pup! man, you must spend a LOT of time in the woods, if you don't have time to clean the bore! I'd be dying to see how nice it would clean up...I'd thoroughly wet swab the bore with a good solvent like Butch's Bore Shine or Shooter's choice, let it set 3 or 4 hours, then scrub the heck out of it with a new tight fitting bronze bore brush, then finish off with some lapping with JB bore paste.....it'll be as good as it's ever going to get...you might be pleasantly surprised!

11-17-2010, 11:08 PM	#1
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1917 arty...questions... hello, new to the luger world and this forum. hoping i didnt screw my self in this deal... problems i have wiht this gun and my limited reading/knowledge -barrell witness mark is not aligned -dont see numbers on grips (external or do you remove em?) -dont see number on wood bottom mag (where?) -pitting etc is not as pretty as some -last but not least, hammer(?) will not fall when trigger is pulled, previous owner said he had a failure of some sort and then disassembled and couldnt get it back together. i reinstalled the side plate, and put that double moon shaped thing in the correct spot i believe. btw, traded this for a 1911 that i assembled. foster frame, sarco parts kit i will post better pics witha real camera tomorrow. it died tonight in process while i was trying to get close ups of the barrel id. oh, everyhing appears to match. i shall read/research/learn more tomorrow... ball park value would be interesting with the current photos, info. thanks

11-18-2010, 07:15 PM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Nice Arty! I believe you're referring to the Take Down Lever. What's the inside of the trigger plate look like? MArc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-18-2010, 10:17 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi, The 8.82 is the barrel gauge in millimeters. It's the measurement from land to land within the barrel. The good news is that the trigger transfer lever isn't properly installed inside the trigger plate. That's why things won't fire. Someone must have de-activated this to prevent someone (perhaps a child) from firing the gun. The little round lever swings up and pulls out. Sometimes these are pretty stiff. There are good diagrams of the Luger on this site. It does look like the barrel's been off and re-installed for some reason. Try taking your pictures outdoors in indirect light without the flash. It's hard to gauge the finish from these pictures. I don't see the "Halos" typically found around the barrel serial number, which may indicate it's been refinished. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-18-2010, 10:44 PM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Again, without knowing the full finish condition, inside barrel condition and originality of the grips, it's hard to estimate value here. I think an arty all matching and original finish would be worth $1200 at the low end, and the upper teens on average. Be forewarned! The most costly thing on a Luger is the addiction that comes with it. You can feel the addiction as you hold your first Luger in your hand. The balance... The graceful design. And, in the case of an Arty, the long barrel and precision sights... How are you going to keep that beautiful pup in clothes!!! It's not too difficult to re-assemble your trigger plate or dis-assemble the Luger. Just take things slow, and don't force things. The little round pin in the trigger plate is sometime in there very snugly, so consider getting help from a gunsmith experienced with Lugers if you need it. YouTube has some videos on disassembly / reassembly, so search there as well... Again, welcome and congratulations on your Arty. You did very well in your exchange. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-19-2010, 02:06 AM	#13
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Alex, This should help... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh9prVMYpM __________________ Mike C.

11-17-2010, 11:33 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Alex, Welcome to the forum. I'm afraid we'll need better photos before we can help much. Grips are numbered on the inside, be careful removing the left one, it's easily chipped. Regards, norm

11-18-2010, 12:00 AM	#3
HuntMaster User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Just off the bat, I'd say you did well if you traded a parts-built 1911 for this Arty.

11-18-2010, 06:34 AM	#4
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	^ ha ha thats what i was thinking.

11-18-2010, 12:42 PM	#5
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	if all you gave was a 1911 parts gun, you did great! ummm.....but I'm really curious where the "double moon shaped thing" is ...... I can't find it on mine!

11-18-2010, 05:37 PM	#6
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what c? the thing to the farthest left in that pic right above here?

11-18-2010, 10:06 PM	#8
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i dont see any numbers on the grips.... here is some clearer pics the upper number says 20 82 like the rest of the gun, then there is a little squiggle mark, and then it says 3,82 or 8,82 with the other half of the eight cut off. whats that mean? something to do with the barrel being removed and reinstalled? here is the sideplate etc with all the parts that i have for it. i am missing something somewhere on the gun, or something is broke. i have not found a good parts break down yet.. view from left side\\ serious Dr. mutt

11-18-2010, 10:31 PM	#10
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ah ok, thanks for the heads up on the pic taking tips, i havent taken a class, or readthe manwell, so i have no idea what i am doing....how about aprrox value? the button on the wooden mag is kinda mangled as well

11-19-2010, 06:36 AM	#14
saltydecimator User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ya i checked out the bore last night, it is pretty dark and murky in there. i plan on scrubbing it out after deer season...

11-21-2010, 09:06 PM	#15
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Cute pup! man, you must spend a LOT of time in the woods, if you don't have time to clean the bore! I'd be dying to see how nice it would clean up...I'd thoroughly wet swab the bore with a good solvent like Butch's Bore Shine or Shooter's choice, let it set 3 or 4 hours, then scrub the heck out of it with a new tight fitting bronze bore brush, then finish off with some lapping with JB bore paste.....it'll be as good as it's ever going to get...you might be pleasantly surprised!