Unmarked " Sneak" ?

dgp42 · 01-15-2003, 10:53 PM

4" 9mm, strawed take down lever,safety,and trigger. DWM toggle, one Wiemer eagle proof on rt. side forward on reciever,one Wiemer eagle rt.side on rear of barrel Absolutely no other markings/#'s of any kind.Perfect bore,no dings finish at 97% not shiney but, a duller blue.Rear lug+wood bottom mag.No mag safety. Supposedly a Vet bring back! Maybe a lunch pail gun? Seller thinks he has a rare pistol. Course there's no way of knowing. Wants $750 . Nice wood grips but not original. He poo-pahed my $500 offer as a shooter. Any thoughts please? Dan

Frank · 01-16-2003, 12:07 AM

Hi Dan, You say there are no marking? Not even a serial number on the frame front, just below the barrel? If not, I would guess it's had a major overhaul!

Ron Wood · 01-16-2003, 12:58 AM

Sounds like a "lunch box special". Johnny Cash building a Cadillac one piece at a time.

dgp42 · 01-16-2003, 01:44 PM

Frank + Ron. I tend to agree w/ both scenarios. Pistol looks exactly like the " Georg Luger Masterpiece" on the Forum lead in page. Except for the wood bottom and no eagle on side of extractor.

John Sabato · 01-16-2003, 03:46 PM

Just to clarify the Georg Luger Masterpiece identity...

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but that graphic is a heavily sanitized version of a good photo that I collected some time ago. All visible marks were carefully obscured by digital photographic magic so that it could serve as a generic representative of the Luger Pistol.

If anyone cares to hazard a guess as to date of manufacture and who manufactured it... it might make a good guessing game.

I will post the correct answer after someone correctly guesses its true identity...

saxman · 01-16-2003, 05:44 PM

John; It sure looks like a Weimar DWM to me.

NOPE!

Thor · 01-16-2003, 06:33 PM

That Generic Luger sure looks like an Early S date Krieghoff Luger to ol Thor! HAMMER DOWN! <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

NOPE!

Thor · 01-17-2003, 12:07 PM

Okay John, I guess it would be made in 1936 and made by Krieghoff. How's that?

ALMOST !

John Sabato · 01-17-2003, 12:56 PM

Partially right- But no cigar!

Edward Tinker · 01-17-2003, 01:02 PM

So its a Krieghoff

Thor · 01-17-2003, 01:20 PM

Well, it an Early S Variation (serial number less than 2500) and it is a Krieghoff, and according to Still it was made in 1936 by Krieghoff? I dont have Gibsons book. Kenyon says this would be a Mid Series SN between 1600-2500 but I tend to side with Still on this one, an Early Varition.

John Sabato · 01-17-2003, 02:20 PM

I will have to bow to Thor's references.

The serial number of this gun WAS 2432...before I obscured the markings on the photo.

As I stated above, the photo we use for the front page has been altered so that no identifying marks are visible... makes for a nicely finished generic sample of Georg Luger's Masterpiece...

When I captured this photo, it was identified as a 1937 Kreighoff... but Thor's authoritative sources say 1936.

That was fun. We will have to do this again...

01-15-2003, 10:53 PM	#1
dgp42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Calif. Coast Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unmarked " Sneak" ? 4" 9mm, strawed take down lever,safety,and trigger. DWM toggle, one Wiemer eagle proof on rt. side forward on reciever,one Wiemer eagle rt.side on rear of barrel Absolutely no other markings/#'s of any kind.Perfect bore,no dings finish at 97% not shiney but, a duller blue.Rear lug+wood bottom mag.No mag safety. Supposedly a Vet bring back! Maybe a lunch pail gun? Seller thinks he has a rare pistol. Course there's no way of knowing. Wants $750 . Nice wood grips but not original. He poo-pahed my $500 offer as a shooter. Any thoughts please? Dan

01-16-2003, 12:58 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Sounds like a "lunch box special". Johnny Cash building a Cadillac one piece at a time. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-16-2003, 03:46 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Just to clarify the Georg Luger Masterpiece identity... I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but that graphic is a heavily sanitized version of a good photo that I collected some time ago. All visible marks were carefully obscured by digital photographic magic so that it could serve as a generic representative of the Luger Pistol. If anyone cares to hazard a guess as to date of manufacture and who manufactured it... it might make a good guessing game. I will post the correct answer after someone correctly guesses its true identity... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-16-2003, 05:44 PM	#6
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John; It sure looks like a Weimar DWM to me. NOPE! __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

01-16-2003, 06:33 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That Generic Luger sure looks like an Early S date Krieghoff Luger to ol Thor! HAMMER DOWN! <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> NOPE! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-16-2003, 12:07 AM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Dan, You say there are no marking? Not even a serial number on the frame front, just below the barrel? If not, I would guess it's had a major overhaul!

01-16-2003, 01:44 PM	#4
dgp42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Calif. Coast Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Frank + Ron. I tend to agree w/ both scenarios. Pistol looks exactly like the " Georg Luger Masterpiece" on the Forum lead in page. Except for the wood bottom and no eagle on side of extractor.

01-17-2003, 12:07 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Okay John, I guess it would be made in 1936 and made by Krieghoff. How's that? ALMOST ! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-17-2003, 12:56 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Partially right- But no cigar! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-17-2003, 01:02 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	So its a Krieghoff __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-17-2003, 01:20 PM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Well, it an Early S Variation (serial number less than 2500) and it is a Krieghoff, and according to Still it was made in 1936 by Krieghoff? I dont have Gibsons book. Kenyon says this would be a Mid Series SN between 1600-2500 but I tend to side with Still on this one, an Early Varition. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-17-2003, 02:20 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I will have to bow to Thor's references. The serial number of this gun WAS 2432...before I obscured the markings on the photo. As I stated above, the photo we use for the front page has been altered so that no identifying marks are visible... makes for a nicely finished generic sample of Georg Luger's Masterpiece... When I captured this photo, it was identified as a 1937 Kreighoff... but Thor's authoritative sources say 1936. That was fun. We will have to do this again... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*