What Do I have??

Tango2020 · 02-26-2012, 10:18 PM

This was handed down from my grandfather who took it from a German officer. It is a DWM and has TK engraved on it. I see the # 44 on the side but no serial # otherwise.

Other than this it has engravings tip to toe.

rob00000 · 02-26-2012, 10:25 PM

Without pics it's gonna' be near impossible for anyone to give you some good answers on your luger.

Tango2020 · 02-26-2012, 10:26 PM

I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Seems I dont have the athoriti.

Tango2020 · 02-26-2012, 10:40 PM

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DavidJayUden · 02-26-2012, 11:11 PM

It certainly is pretty. Much nicer than most that we see here. They are generally some GI's idea of you to dress up his war souvenier, but this one seems to be above and beyond all that. I am skeptical that it was actually carried by an officer in the German Arny in this condition, but we'll see what those more learned than I have to say on the matter.
dju

TheRomanhistorian · 02-26-2012, 11:48 PM

Well, very fascinating piece. I don't know if I've ever seen such a pretty weapon issued to an officer but it is an interesting looking pistol, if nothing else.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-26-2012, 11:52 PM

I agree with David..A nice professional engraved pistol. The engraving is certainly German in style.

The finish is spectacular as well..even with the original straw.

Is there anything else with your Grandfathers pistol. A holster. box..Papers? Photographs?

Tango2020 · 02-27-2012, 12:06 AM

Only the pistol and holster with 2 mags.

Why would there be no serial numbers on the gun!

The story I have heard was that there were some made for hitlers higher up generals that were void of serial numbers but I haven't seen anything on this site to coralate with thy story.

CavScoutEurope · 02-27-2012, 06:38 AM

Can we get photos of the holster? Are the mags numbered? Have you disassembled the weapon?

alanint · 02-27-2012, 07:10 AM

I'm guessing this was made post war by Mauser gunsmiths for a soldier in the occupying forces. Occupation GIs had access to the Mauser factory and this was probably made for someone who could afford the work.

Tango2020 · 02-27-2012, 08:07 AM

I have not disassembled it yet. I didn't want to go too far with it if it has great value because I didn't know it taking it down and a good cleaning would degrade the value.

I'll post more pictures when I get home tonight.

mrerick · 02-27-2012, 10:39 AM

It is certainly exceptional engraving work and coverage. Safety bar numbered in the military style, but take down lever not.

If it's a 9mm pistol, I think it's most likely a war trophy that got the engraving in Germany then returned with the vet. If it's in .30 Luger, it could be a DWM commercial that got a full engraving treatment here before 1968 (after which serial numbers were required on guns - the engraving could have obliterated what was there). In that case, the safety bar could be a replacement from a military pistol.

I can't see that a proper dis-assembly, cleaning, and lubrication with corrosion preventing gun oil would degrade the value. Just be careful with it if you do it yourself (there are instructions available on this site). Pay particular care with grip removal, and don't gall the grip screws with the wrong screwdriver blade.

Marc

Tango2020 · 02-27-2012, 11:26 AM

I don't have the gun here to look at but I think the take down leaver does have 44 on it also but is on the bottom and inconspicuous. It is a 9mm.

sheepherder · 02-27-2012, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

IMO, it's a presentation piece. Made as an award / reward. The engraving is top quality and certainly does look period, and German.

Ron

...I agree with Ron...

Ron Smith · 02-27-2012, 03:37 PM

IMO, it's a presentation piece. Made as an award / reward. The engraving is top quality and certainly does look period, and German.

Ron

rhuff · 02-27-2012, 05:15 PM

It appears to be beautifully done and it is a striking piece. I really like it, and I don't usually care for engraved Lugers. I have a place in my safe where that one would fit quite nicely. A family heirloom.

Hugo Borchardt · 02-27-2012, 05:21 PM

Very nice. I, too, am generally turned off by engraved lugers, but this one looks like a very beautiful special presentation piece.

sheepherder · 02-27-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango2020

I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Seems I dont have the athoriti.

I believe you have to have a minimum number of posts. Keep posting, and when you get the 'authority' to post here, replace your links with Lugerforum-posted pics. Others here are behind corporate firewalls that block Flickr, PhotoBucket, SmugMug, YouTube, etc...but I'm sure they would want the pics preserved here...

Tango2020 · 02-27-2012, 06:05 PM

Thanks postino. Think I have it fixed now.

c3006 · 02-27-2012, 06:18 PM

That is a great looking pistol. Shame there's not more provenance . As far as value it's going to be whatever someone will pay,no way to set a value I could see.

02-26-2012, 10:18 PM	#1
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What Do I have?? This was handed down from my grandfather who took it from a German officer. It is a DWM and has TK engraved on it. I see the # 44 on the side but no serial # otherwise. Other than this it has engravings tip to toe. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Tango2020; 02-27-2012 at 06:02 PM.

02-26-2012, 11:48 PM	#6
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Well, very fascinating piece. I don't know if I've ever seen such a pretty weapon issued to an officer but it is an interesting looking pistol, if nothing else. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-26-2012, 11:52 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,868 Thanked 3,106 Times in 1,429 Posts	I agree with David..A nice professional engraved pistol. The engraving is certainly German in style. The finish is spectacular as well..even with the original straw. Is there anything else with your Grandfathers pistol. A holster. box..Papers? Photographs? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-27-2012, 10:39 AM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	It is certainly exceptional engraving work and coverage. Safety bar numbered in the military style, but take down lever not. If it's a 9mm pistol, I think it's most likely a war trophy that got the engraving in Germany then returned with the vet. If it's in .30 Luger, it could be a DWM commercial that got a full engraving treatment here before 1968 (after which serial numbers were required on guns - the engraving could have obliterated what was there). In that case, the safety bar could be a replacement from a military pistol. I can't see that a proper dis-assembly, cleaning, and lubrication with corrosion preventing gun oil would degrade the value. Just be careful with it if you do it yourself (there are instructions available on this site). Pay particular care with grip removal, and don't gall the grip screws with the wrong screwdriver blade. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-27-2012, 03:37 PM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	IMO, it's a presentation piece. Made as an award / reward. The engraving is top quality and certainly does look period, and German. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-26-2012, 10:25 PM	#2
rob00000 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Without pics it's gonna' be near impossible for anyone to give you some good answers on your luger.

02-26-2012, 10:26 PM	#3
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Seems I dont have the athoriti.

02-26-2012, 10:40 PM	#4
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://www.flickr.com/photos/12185404@N08/6787766570/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1218540...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1218540...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1218540...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1218540...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1218540...n/photostream/

02-26-2012, 11:11 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It certainly is pretty. Much nicer than most that we see here. They are generally some GI's idea of you to dress up his war souvenier, but this one seems to be above and beyond all that. I am skeptical that it was actually carried by an officer in the German Arny in this condition, but we'll see what those more learned than I have to say on the matter. dju

02-27-2012, 12:06 AM	#8
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Only the pistol and holster with 2 mags. Why would there be no serial numbers on the gun! The story I have heard was that there were some made for hitlers higher up generals that were void of serial numbers but I haven't seen anything on this site to coralate with thy story.

02-27-2012, 06:38 AM	#9
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Can we get photos of the holster? Are the mags numbered? Have you disassembled the weapon?

02-27-2012, 07:10 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'm guessing this was made post war by Mauser gunsmiths for a soldier in the occupying forces. Occupation GIs had access to the Mauser factory and this was probably made for someone who could afford the work.

02-27-2012, 08:07 AM	#11
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have not disassembled it yet. I didn't want to go too far with it if it has great value because I didn't know it taking it down and a good cleaning would degrade the value. I'll post more pictures when I get home tonight.

02-27-2012, 11:26 AM	#13
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't have the gun here to look at but I think the take down leaver does have 44 on it also but is on the bottom and inconspicuous. It is a 9mm.

02-27-2012, 05:15 PM	#16
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 2,696 Thanked 961 Times in 707 Posts	It appears to be beautifully done and it is a striking piece. I really like it, and I don't usually care for engraved Lugers. I have a place in my safe where that one would fit quite nicely. A family heirloom.

02-27-2012, 05:21 PM	#17
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	Very nice. I, too, am generally turned off by engraved lugers, but this one looks like a very beautiful special presentation piece. __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-27-2012, 06:05 PM	#19
Tango2020 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks postino. Think I have it fixed now.

02-27-2012, 06:18 PM	#20
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	That is a great looking pistol. Shame there's not more provenance . As far as value it's going to be whatever someone will pay,no way to set a value I could see. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776