Brass cleaning rod??????????????

marine kabar · 11-13-2004, 01:29 PM

I was at a militaria show today and saw a lot of overpriced Lugers and accessories. One thing I did look at was brass cleaning rods. But when the guy pulled out a plastic bag full of rods I got nervous. When I saw that they were were EXACTLY alike, brand new like made yesterday I went into full alert. Am I being paranoid? Do legit examples look like they were made last week?

THANKS

Ron Smith · 11-13-2004, 03:33 PM

Greg, I'm not an expert on rods, but if they look new. They probably are. Brass tarnishes in a short period of time.

Ron

Navy · 11-13-2004, 03:37 PM

When you look at them, on originals, the patina is deep and generally even. They have an almost olive drab color about them. The fakers haven't figured out quite how to replicate this yet.

Tom A.

marine kabar · 11-13-2004, 03:37 PM

My thinking exactly. You'd expect the brass to be well tarnished after 60+ years. I got an email from a collector a few days ago showing the cleaning rod he'd got at a show. And it was just like the one I looked at today. He's happy with it so I didn't say a word but I'm skeptical of these, especially at that price.

Pete Ebbink · 11-13-2004, 09:30 PM

Hi Greg,

Can you let us know the price...?

Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

marine kabar · 11-13-2004, 10:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pete Ebbink:
Hi Greg,

Can you let us know the price...?

Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Pete,

He was asking fifty bucks....way too much money to spend knowing it's a replica and since he was calling it "original" it then became a "fake".

Everything on the table was priced high.

Greg

Greg

Navy · 11-14-2004, 08:21 AM

IIIRC, I think I paid about $300 for my original zigzag last year and was pleased to get it at that price; see lots of repops on Ebay @$75 or so,

Tom A.

marine kabar · 11-14-2004, 08:42 AM

OK...so maybe $50 is fair. Still, he should have called it a "reproduction" when he showed it to me.

At $300 for an original I can strike that one off my "want" list :-)

Lugerdoc · 11-14-2004, 06:08 PM

Rick, See my PM to you. To get a realistic estimate of value we need to know if it was the Wood Barrel top LPO8 or Navy repro? Grooved or Zig-Zag? Length? Large loop type or small loop Parabellum. All are available with brass rod. I can't think of any originals that aren't steel vise brass. TH

lugerholsterrepair · 11-15-2004, 10:56 AM

Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. Tom A is talking the Navy wood barreled 7" cleaning rod.( He graciously sent me one a year ago to complete my Navy rig! Thanks Tom !) I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney

marine kabar · 11-16-2004, 10:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair:
Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney<hr /></blockquote>That's exactly the one I was talking about. Not sure who "Rick" is...my name in Greg.

I'll be looking out for an original of one of those and may also look to SARCO for a replica which is apparently what I saw at the show being sold as original.

Greg

Lugerdoc · 11-16-2004, 10:58 AM

Greg, I do have the steel originals @$75 each + $5 S&H. I doubt that there ever were original of the large loop rod for the PO8 in brass. TH

marine kabar · 11-16-2004, 11:41 AM

Tom

What would have been original issue with a 1935/1936 era S/42?

Greg

RockinWR · 11-16-2004, 07:10 PM

Greg,
* No cleaning rod would have been issued w/ your Army G-date Luger or your 1936 PT-08 holster.
* The ReiningungsgerÃ?Â¤t 34 (tobacco tin) cleaning kit was officially introduced by a notice in the Allgemeine Heeresmitteilungen of Sept.,4, 1934 (Pg.4, Item 16). This formal announcement stated that the cleaning kit was: "...to be used for rifles, carbines, pistols, machine guns, and is to be used in Armouries...Each soldier, having been issued a weapon, should be issued a cleaning device 34."
* The quote is per Mr. Richard D. Law, Backbone of the Wehrmacht, The German K98k rifle, 1934-1945, Pg. 327.
* Trust this helps.
Respectfully,
Bob

Navy · 11-17-2004, 07:59 PM

RockinWR's post clearly illustrates why holsters were modified after late 1934 to eliminate the provision for a cleaning rod under the bucket.

Tom A.

11-13-2004, 01:29 PM	#1
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brass cleaning rod?????????????? I was at a militaria show today and saw a lot of overpriced Lugers and accessories. One thing I did look at was brass cleaning rods. But when the guy pulled out a plastic bag full of rods I got nervous. When I saw that they were were EXACTLY alike, brand new like made yesterday I went into full alert. Am I being paranoid? Do legit examples look like they were made last week? THANKS

11-13-2004, 03:33 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Greg, I'm not an expert on rods, but if they look new. They probably are. Brass tarnishes in a short period of time. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-13-2004, 10:34 PM	#6
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Pete Ebbink: <strong>Hi Greg, Can you let us know the price...? Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Pete, He was asking fifty bucks....way too much money to spend knowing it's a replica and since he was calling it "original" it then became a "fake". Everything on the table was priced high. Greg Greg

11-14-2004, 06:08 PM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Rick, See my PM to you. To get a realistic estimate of value we need to know if it was the Wood Barrel top LPO8 or Navy repro? Grooved or Zig-Zag? Length? Large loop type or small loop Parabellum. All are available with brass rod. I can't think of any originals that aren't steel vise brass. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-15-2004, 10:56 AM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,922 Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,434 Posts	Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. Tom A is talking the Navy wood barreled 7" cleaning rod.( He graciously sent me one a year ago to complete my Navy rig! Thanks Tom !) I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-13-2004, 03:37 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	When you look at them, on originals, the patina is deep and generally even. They have an almost olive drab color about them. The fakers haven't figured out quite how to replicate this yet. Tom A.

11-13-2004, 09:30 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Greg, Can you let us know the price...? Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-14-2004, 08:21 AM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	IIIRC, I think I paid about $300 for my original zigzag last year and was pleased to get it at that price; see lots of repops on Ebay @$75 or so, Tom A.

11-14-2004, 08:42 AM	#8
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK...so maybe $50 is fair. Still, he should have called it a "reproduction" when he showed it to me. At $300 for an original I can strike that one off my "want" list :-)

11-16-2004, 10:00 AM	#11
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair: <strong>Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">That's exactly the one I was talking about. Not sure who "Rick" is...my name in Greg. I'll be looking out for an original of one of those and may also look to SARCO for a replica which is apparently what I saw at the show being sold as original. Greg

11-16-2004, 10:58 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Greg, I do have the steel originals @$75 each + $5 S&H. I doubt that there ever were original of the large loop rod for the PO8 in brass. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-16-2004, 11:41 AM	#13
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom What would have been original issue with a 1935/1936 era S/42? Greg

11-16-2004, 07:10 PM	#14
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Greg, * No cleaning rod would have been issued w/ your Army G-date Luger or your 1936 PT-08 holster. * The ReiningungsgerÃ?Â¤t 34 (tobacco tin) cleaning kit was officially introduced by a notice in the Allgemeine Heeresmitteilungen of Sept.,4, 1934 (Pg.4, Item 16). This formal announcement stated that the cleaning kit was: "...to be used for rifles, carbines, pistols, machine guns, and is to be used in Armouries...Each soldier, having been issued a weapon, should be issued a cleaning device 34." * The quote is per Mr. Richard D. Law, Backbone of the Wehrmacht, The German K98k rifle, 1934-1945, Pg. 327. * Trust this helps. Respectfully, Bob

11-17-2004, 07:59 PM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	RockinWR's post clearly illustrates why holsters were modified after late 1934 to eliminate the provision for a cleaning rod under the bucket. Tom A.