Brass cleaning rod??????????????
 

I was at a militaria show today and saw a lot of overpriced Lugers and accessories. One thing I did look at was brass cleaning rods. But when the guy pulled out a plastic bag full of rods I got nervous. When I saw that they were were EXACTLY alike, brand new like made yesterday I went into full alert. Am I being paranoid? Do legit examples look like they were made last week?

THANKS

Greg, I'm not an expert on rods, but if they look new. They probably are. Brass tarnishes in a short period of time.

Ron

When you look at them, on originals, the patina is deep and generally even. They have an almost olive drab color about them. The fakers haven't figured out quite how to replicate this yet.

Tom A.

My thinking exactly. You'd expect the brass to be well tarnished after 60+ years. I got an email from a collector a few days ago showing the cleaning rod he'd got at a show. And it was just like the one I looked at today. He's happy with it so I didn't say a word but I'm skeptical of these, especially at that price.

Hi Greg,

Can you let us know the price...?

Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it... :D

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Pete Ebbink:
<strong>Hi Greg,

Can you let us know the price...?

Nothing wrong with buying a nice repro until a real one shows up and you have the money to nab it... :D

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Pete,

He was asking fifty bucks....way too much money to spend knowing it's a replica and since he was calling it "original" it then became a "fake".

Everything on the table was priced high. :(

Greg

Greg

IIIRC, I think I paid about $300 for my original zigzag last year and was pleased to get it at that price; see lots of repops on Ebay @$75 or so,

Tom A.

OK...so maybe $50 is fair. Still, he should have called it a "reproduction" when he showed it to me.

At $300 for an original I can strike that one off my "want" list :-)

Rick, See my PM to you. To get a realistic estimate of value we need to know if it was the Wood Barrel top LPO8 or Navy repro? Grooved or Zig-Zag? Length? Large loop type or small loop Parabellum. All are available with brass rod. I can't think of any originals that aren't steel vise brass. TH

Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. Tom A is talking the Navy wood barreled 7" cleaning rod.( He graciously sent me one a year ago to complete my Navy rig! Thanks Tom !) I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair:
<strong>Rick, Tom is right. It is important to know what you are discussing. I suspect you are meaning the short 4" for the 1934 holster. All brass with the loop handle. Jerry Burney</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">That's exactly the one I was talking about. Not sure who "Rick" is...my name in Greg. :D
I'll be looking out for an original of one of those and may also look to SARCO for a replica which is apparently what I saw at the show being sold as original.

Greg

Greg, I do have the steel originals @$75 each + $5 S&H. I doubt that there ever were original of the large loop rod for the PO8 in brass. TH

Tom

What would have been original issue with a 1935/1936 era S/42?

Greg

Greg,
* No cleaning rod would have been issued w/ your Army G-date Luger or your 1936 PT-08 holster.
* The Reiningungsger�¤t 34 (tobacco tin) cleaning kit was officially introduced by a notice in the Allgemeine Heeresmitteilungen of Sept.,4, 1934 (Pg.4, Item 16). This formal announcement stated that the cleaning kit was: "...to be used for rifles, carbines, pistols, machine guns, and is to be used in Armouries...Each soldier, having been issued a weapon, should be issued a cleaning device 34."
* The quote is per Mr. Richard D. Law, Backbone of the Wehrmacht, The German K98k rifle, 1934-1945, Pg. 327.
* Trust this helps.
Respectfully,
Bob

RockinWR's post clearly illustrates why holsters were modified after late 1934 to eliminate the provision for a cleaning rod under the bucket.

Tom A.