Date my Luger :)

hman · 11-28-2006, 10:36 PM

New to the forums and was hoping to pick some brains.

A friend recently asked me to see if I can drum up some info on a Luger his parents recently found in storage.

It is a DWM "American Eagle", Serial # 44,7XX. The only other marking on the gun is a Circled B under the serial on the barrel.

Looks like this Luger I found - DWM American Eagle Except the one I have is 9mm.

Can anyone share any info on this firearm?

Thanks,

Hsiawen

hman · 11-28-2006, 10:56 PM

Yay!!!

I found this thread which manages to answer every one of my questions.

Edward Tinker · 11-28-2006, 11:27 PM

Hey, not fair! It is amazing how much info there is here if you look around. We'd still love to see pictures and more information

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 11-28-2006, 11:30 PM

Hsiawen,

Welcome to the Forum, very glad you were able to make your way around and find the information you were looking for.

I am keeping a database on commercial Lugers, could you possibly let me know the full serial number for the record? Please email me dwightg@pacifier.com if you don't want to post the number publicly.

Thanks much.

--Dwight

hman · 11-29-2006, 10:47 AM

I'll try and post up pictures and the send you the serial number this evening. I'm also swinging by the shop to get my gunsmith to take a look at it.

SteveM · 11-29-2006, 12:29 PM

Sounds lke a Brazilan contract to me..

hman · 11-30-2006, 12:02 AM

Serial is 44717 and yeah that's what I've found about the Circle B but it is also stamped Germany.

Dwight Gruber · 11-30-2006, 01:28 AM

Hsiawen,

Thanks for the sn and GERMANY note.

Your barrel is quite a conundrum. It is commonly thought that extra contract barrels were used to assemble commercial Lugers. There are other examples of Lugers with circle-B Brazilian barrels, as well as some 1900-model commercials with Swiss cross marked barrels.

Your gun is complicated by the fact that the Brazilian delivery was of guns in .30 cal., and yours is 9mm. Kenyon notes that some Brazilians are reported in 9mm and suggests that these may be later rebarrels or original barrels, but there is not independent verificaton of the latter.

Are there proof marks on this gun? Is there a serial number on the barrel?

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 11-30-2006, 01:43 AM

Dwight, remember that my 1906 is a 9mm and has a B... sn 44693

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=14729

Ed

hman · 12-01-2006, 11:00 PM

With the exception of the trigger plate my Luger is the same as Ed's

hman · 12-05-2006, 10:20 PM

Edward Tinker · 12-05-2006, 10:38 PM

and you took better pictures too! (ok, I got me a new camera, so I could upgrade those piccies).

Looks very nice, one most anyone would like to own

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 12-05-2006, 11:12 PM

Hsiawen,

Very nice pictures, thanks for the details (you got shots of the entire gun?).

Circle-B on a 9mm barrel may have something to reveal about Brazilian-contract Lugers. Quite a conundrum here, in that the c-B on your gun is haloed. Grounds for much thought.

Can you take a very close-up, sharp, detailed picture of the witness mark on this gun?

--Dwight

hman · 12-06-2006, 12:43 AM

Which mark is the witness mark?

Also is there any reason as to why the Barrel has a 17 and a 4.7 stamp?

hman · 12-06-2006, 01:12 AM

I think this is what is meant by a witness mark. Included links to full res images.

http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark1_orig.jpg

http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark2_orig.jpg

http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark3_orig.jpg

http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark4_orig.jpg

11-28-2006, 10:36 PM	#1
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Date my Luger :) New to the forums and was hoping to pick some brains. A friend recently asked me to see if I can drum up some info on a Luger his parents recently found in storage. It is a DWM "American Eagle", Serial # 44,7XX. The only other marking on the gun is a Circled B under the serial on the barrel. Looks like this Luger I found - DWM American Eagle Except the one I have is 9mm. Can anyone share any info on this firearm? Thanks, Hsiawen

11-28-2006, 11:27 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Hey, not fair! It is amazing how much info there is here if you look around. We'd still love to see pictures and more information Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-28-2006, 10:56 PM	#2
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yay!!! I found this thread which manages to answer every one of my questions.

11-28-2006, 11:30 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hsiawen, Welcome to the Forum, very glad you were able to make your way around and find the information you were looking for. I am keeping a database on commercial Lugers, could you possibly let me know the full serial number for the record? Please email me dwightg@pacifier.com if you don't want to post the number publicly. Thanks much. --Dwight

11-29-2006, 10:47 AM	#5
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll try and post up pictures and the send you the serial number this evening. I'm also swinging by the shop to get my gunsmith to take a look at it.

11-29-2006, 12:29 PM	#6
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Sounds lke a Brazilan contract to me..

11-30-2006, 12:02 AM	#7
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Serial is 44717 and yeah that's what I've found about the Circle B but it is also stamped Germany.

11-30-2006, 01:28 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hsiawen, Thanks for the sn and GERMANY note. Your barrel is quite a conundrum. It is commonly thought that extra contract barrels were used to assemble commercial Lugers. There are other examples of Lugers with circle-B Brazilian barrels, as well as some 1900-model commercials with Swiss cross marked barrels. Your gun is complicated by the fact that the Brazilian delivery was of guns in .30 cal., and yours is 9mm. Kenyon notes that some Brazilians are reported in 9mm and suggests that these may be later rebarrels or original barrels, but there is not independent verificaton of the latter. Are there proof marks on this gun? Is there a serial number on the barrel? --Dwight

11-30-2006, 01:43 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Dwight, remember that my 1906 is a 9mm and has a B... sn 44693 http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=14729 Ed

12-01-2006, 11:00 PM	#10
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	With the exception of the trigger plate my Luger is the same as Ed's

12-05-2006, 10:20 PM	#11
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

12-05-2006, 10:38 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	and you took better pictures too! (ok, I got me a new camera, so I could upgrade those piccies). Looks very nice, one most anyone would like to own Ed

12-05-2006, 11:12 PM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hsiawen, Very nice pictures, thanks for the details (you got shots of the entire gun?). Circle-B on a 9mm barrel may have something to reveal about Brazilian-contract Lugers. Quite a conundrum here, in that the c-B on your gun is haloed. Grounds for much thought. Can you take a very close-up, sharp, detailed picture of the witness mark on this gun? --Dwight

12-06-2006, 12:43 AM	#14
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Which mark is the witness mark? Also is there any reason as to why the Barrel has a 17 and a 4.7 stamp?

12-06-2006, 01:12 AM	#15
hman User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think this is what is meant by a witness mark. Included links to full res images. http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark1_orig.jpg http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark2_orig.jpg http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark3_orig.jpg http://www.hullrealty.com/hman/mark4_orig.jpg