Black Widow Rig goes for 10k

Curly1 · 08-26-2013, 10:23 AM

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=12279159

Zorba · 08-26-2013, 11:03 AM

No question its a nice example - nicer than my 40 42 - but not $8500 nicer! Wow. Seller must be laughing all the way to the bank!

DavidJayUden · 08-26-2013, 11:37 AM

A very nice gun indeed! The safety lever almost appears to be strawed, but I suspect that is just illusional.
Anyway, I'd like to own it, but...
dju

John Sabato · 08-26-2013, 01:19 PM

I concur... a NICE example of a byf 41... but WAY overpriced by a couple of orders of magnitude! I hope the buyer is happy, but certainly not a happy as the seller!

Dick Herman · 08-26-2013, 02:37 PM

WOW! Must be all the zeros on the parts.

G.T. · 08-26-2013, 03:01 PM

Here's what it has going for it.... extremely nice condition, not mint, but nice... and we can assume, high dollar for that, but there are some, "but dammits!" on it also?? Gun, mags and holster all have slight issues, ... So, it's probably not all condition generated... First strong price point, probably because in the world of byf 41's, this is a fairly rare bird... E/135 marked, and right at the end of production of the 41's..... Next, low serial number & 00 on all the small parts, I thought I was immune to this aspect of collecting, but I must admit, it is a clean looking unit... Third, it's a Black Widow, some better then a regular widow, and quite a'bit better then a white widow (Nickeled) ..

......Now, to me, that doesn't bring it up to 10K.... maybe 5K ??? Unless there is more, and there certainly could be.... By the way, I could fix that rusty fxo mag pin for him!...

... might add another K!

... Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

alanint · 08-26-2013, 03:05 PM

This is what happens when two individuals with more money than brains and fueled by testosterone "just gotta have it".

Don't be surprised if you see this gun listed again after the buyer sobers up.

Zorba · 08-26-2013, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Herman

WOW! Must be all the zeros on the parts.

Hence the extra zeros in the price!

Victor R. · 08-26-2013, 03:55 PM

I brought up the "300" and "buckshots" on the Still forum, but no one bit on it over there!

saab-bob · 08-26-2013, 05:16 PM

Nice gun.
Way over priced.
The holster pictured sure looks like a repop holster I bought a few years ago. Exact same markings and locations,exact same look.
Just saying.
Bob

alvin · 08-26-2013, 05:25 PM

I just looked up the winner's buying history on AuctionArms. This buyer loves Winchester rifles. He bought quite a few of them since May 2013.

In auctions, those Winchesters are crazy. Let alone a rifle, even an ammo box could go 5 digits. God knows what's attractive in it?? Another crazy gun is something called "Henry rifle", not attractive at all in my eyes, but people could pump it to 50k, 70k. Money is not money in that context.

So, if a Winchester guy want to buy your Luger, you're lucky.

Patronen · 08-26-2013, 06:10 PM

I think someone needs to do a search of recent Lottery Winners

alvin · 08-26-2013, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patronen

I think someone needs to do a search of recent Lottery Winners

Could be. We never know.

A little bit more research confuses me. Say, if one guy sold a BW at $1677 in 2004, under what condition he would buy the same variation at 6x price in 2013?

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/6106587/

Unusual in normal logic? In normal logic, if you buy a variation back, shouldn't it be priced similar or lower than the one that had been sold earlier......

Maestro · 08-26-2013, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

This is what happens when two individuals with more money than brains and fueled by testosterone "just gotta have it".

Don't be surprised if you see this gun listed again after the buyer sobers up.

Nomadr · 08-28-2013, 10:49 PM

The lack of halos would concern me! Anyone else? Opps ya right no halos on later Mauser's.

But the finish still concerns me a bit. Especially for the cash put out without a hands on inspection. I compared the photos with two BYF 41 Lugers I own. First the stampings seem deeper on mine. Especially the "41"on the top chamber. and the rear frame (near the hump) seems to smooth? On mine you can observe slight machine markings. Also almost no holster wear? But it survived with the original holster for 70 years?

Anyway maybe just being sceptically on my part. But for the price you should be.

Bob

alvin · 08-28-2013, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomadr

The lack of halos would concern me! Anyone else?

Bob

No. Halo never appears on salt blued guns. byf was salt blued.

Nomadr · 08-28-2013, 11:42 PM

Thanks Alvin I already corrected that. Must have been typing at the same time.

Bob

alvin · 08-29-2013, 07:28 AM

The minty ratio of some guns are higher than others. There are quite a few Mauser 1930 C96s and byf Lugers in nice shape, for example. I would believe some of them were captured in unissued condition, no holster, holster of super nice Luger were probably an add-on later. Very nice instances of relatively common variation is not cheap, realized price of $4K, $5K are commonly seen in auction. This AA item caused attention due to it went unusual high.

alvin · 09-01-2013, 07:47 PM

Living:

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12329245

Winner is currently on this one. Let's see who can compete with him.... For fun, you may put down a number, I bet you won't win it. But what if he goes to restroom and misses it, and you win it.... that will be a big headache.... probably not worth the trouble

billpocz · 10-07-2013, 09:39 AM

Often amazed at the price some folks will pay...

I always wonder if it is just a case of "I gotta' have it" (no matter what.).

Shopping around is more than half the fun!!

08-26-2013, 10:23 AM	#1
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 113 Thanked 703 Times in 365 Posts	Black Widow Rig goes for 10k http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=12279159 __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

08-26-2013, 01:19 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I concur... a NICE example of a byf 41... but WAY overpriced by a couple of orders of magnitude! I hope the buyer is happy, but certainly not a happy as the seller! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-26-2013, 03:01 PM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	I'm not sure it's woth that, but..... Here's what it has going for it.... extremely nice condition, not mint, but nice... and we can assume, high dollar for that, but there are some, "but dammits!" on it also?? Gun, mags and holster all have slight issues, ... So, it's probably not all condition generated... First strong price point, probably because in the world of byf 41's, this is a fairly rare bird... E/135 marked, and right at the end of production of the 41's..... Next, low serial number & 00 on all the small parts, I thought I was immune to this aspect of collecting, but I must admit, it is a clean looking unit... Third, it's a Black Widow, some better then a regular widow, and quite a'bit better then a white widow (Nickeled) ........Now, to me, that doesn't bring it up to 10K.... maybe 5K ??? Unless there is more, and there certainly could be.... By the way, I could fix that rusty fxo mag pin for him!...... might add another K!... Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

08-26-2013, 05:16 PM	#10
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Nice gun. Way over priced. The holster pictured sure looks like a repop holster I bought a few years ago. Exact same markings and locations,exact same look. Just saying. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

08-26-2013, 06:10 PM	#12
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	I think someone needs to do a search of recent Lottery Winners __________________ Dave

08-26-2013, 11:03 AM	#2
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	No question its a nice example - nicer than my 40 42 - but not $8500 nicer! Wow. Seller must be laughing all the way to the bank!

08-26-2013, 11:37 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	A very nice gun indeed! The safety lever almost appears to be strawed, but I suspect that is just illusional. Anyway, I'd like to own it, but... dju

08-26-2013, 02:37 PM	#5
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	WOW! Must be all the zeros on the parts.

08-26-2013, 03:05 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This is what happens when two individuals with more money than brains and fueled by testosterone "just gotta have it". Don't be surprised if you see this gun listed again after the buyer sobers up.

08-26-2013, 03:55 PM	#9
Victor R. User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I brought up the "300" and "buckshots" on the Still forum, but no one bit on it over there!

08-26-2013, 05:25 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I just looked up the winner's buying history on AuctionArms. This buyer loves Winchester rifles. He bought quite a few of them since May 2013. In auctions, those Winchesters are crazy. Let alone a rifle, even an ammo box could go 5 digits. God knows what's attractive in it?? Another crazy gun is something called "Henry rifle", not attractive at all in my eyes, but people could pump it to 50k, 70k. Money is not money in that context. So, if a Winchester guy want to buy your Luger, you're lucky.

08-28-2013, 10:49 PM	#15
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	The lack of halos would concern me! Anyone else? Opps ya right no halos on later Mauser's. But the finish still concerns me a bit. Especially for the cash put out without a hands on inspection. I compared the photos with two BYF 41 Lugers I own. First the stampings seem deeper on mine. Especially the "41"on the top chamber. and the rear frame (near the hump) seems to smooth? On mine you can observe slight machine markings. Also almost no holster wear? But it survived with the original holster for 70 years? Anyway maybe just being sceptically on my part. But for the price you should be. Bob

08-28-2013, 11:42 PM	#17
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Thanks Alvin I already corrected that. Must have been typing at the same time. Bob

08-29-2013, 07:28 AM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The minty ratio of some guns are higher than others. There are quite a few Mauser 1930 C96s and byf Lugers in nice shape, for example. I would believe some of them were captured in unissued condition, no holster, holster of super nice Luger were probably an add-on later. Very nice instances of relatively common variation is not cheap, realized price of $4K, $5K are commonly seen in auction. This AA item caused attention due to it went unusual high.

09-01-2013, 07:47 PM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Living: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12329245 Winner is currently on this one. Let's see who can compete with him.... For fun, you may put down a number, I bet you won't win it. But what if he goes to restroom and misses it, and you win it.... that will be a big headache.... probably not worth the trouble

10-07-2013, 09:39 AM	#20
billpocz User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Very rural northeastern KY Posts: 18 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Often amazed at the price some folks will pay... I always wonder if it is just a case of "I gotta' have it" (no matter what.). Shopping around is more than half the fun!! __________________ *************** I truly enjoy shooting many different types of pistols!!