Passing on info to the younguns.

Doug51 · 07-13-2017, 07:12 PM

I have spent the better part of the day looking over your site and have found it to be exceedingly helpful. I am not sure if I am putting this message in the right place but please bare with me.

I have found a lot of information but I have a couple of questions I would like to clarify.

Lugar Information Questions

1. 1938 – year manufactured?
2. S/42 – Mauser manufacture Concealment Code? (What is a concealment code)
3. 5189 – Serial #?
4. b - ? (according to your listing it is probably an L and not a B
5. SE83 – SE63 – manufacturing inspection stamps? (What is the stamp next to these and on the barrel)
6. 5189 and 89 on various pieces – pieces are original manufacture?
7. Number under 5189 on barrel -? (8 82)
8. All matching – can you give me a listing of ALL PARTS that are numbered?
9. I have three magazines. Two with wooden bases one of which has the word GERMANY on the bottom and a 6 at the base of one side. And one magazine with an aluminum base with characters on it.
10. I noticed that on the butt of the pistol there is a small loop of metal. Was this for a lanyard in case of dropping the weapon would not be lost? I remember when I was on ships at sea that when we did familiarization firing with our pistols there was a lanyard we would put over our neck in case a person lost their grip on the weapon. Is this a similar safety feature?
11. What was the loading tool used for?

Thank you very much for all your help.

Doug

Edward Tinker · 07-13-2017, 07:48 PM

Welcome to the formum. What you have, is a made in 1938 and the manufacturer is Mauser, concealment code was the Germans trying to prevent the allies from knowing what you had and who was making it. I think our frequently asked questions covers several of the questions that you were asking.

Lanyard loop is on rear, just below the toggle.

Germany marked magazine was for export, usually USA sales. An aluminum bass magazine is what would have come with your luger along with two matching numbered magazines.

Items marked are in the frequently asked questions which is under new collectors part of the forum.

Loading tool is used to make the loading of your magazine much easier, and it goes on upside down and pushes down. Once you've seen it done, it's very easy. The round hole goes over the follower button on the magazine and then you push down with your thumb on the big round part

SteveM · 07-13-2017, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug51

Lugar Information Questions

Thank you very much for all your help.

Doug

Hey Doug, please---it's Luger, not Lugar.

Welcome to the addiction!

gunbugs · 07-13-2017, 09:22 PM

We should tell Ed it's "Luger", not "lucre". Too funny....

"lucre" [FIXED - JS]

sheepherder · 07-13-2017, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbugs

We should tell Ed it's "Luger", not "lucre". Too funny....

I thought his 'aluminum bass magazine' was hilarious...

stg44fan · 07-13-2017, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Welcome to the formum.

formum?

DavidJayUden · 07-13-2017, 10:40 PM

A rough crowd tonight...
dju

mrerick · 07-14-2017, 10:05 AM

Hi Doug, while a member for awhile, welcome to posting to the forum.

Please take a look a the FAQ PDF document. It will answer many of your questions and prove a useful reference in the future. I maintain the document and put the work in so that we don't have to repeatedly answer similar questions.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121

mrerick · 07-14-2017, 10:12 AM

I will try to answer your questions below:

1. 1938 – year manufactured?

yes

2. S/42 – Mauser manufacture Concealment Code? (What is a concealment code)

Military security to hide manufacturers from the enemy

3. 5189 – Serial #?

Part of it. The suffix "b" is part of it too.

4. b - ? (according to your listing it is probably an L and not a B

I'm thinking "b", but a better picture sharp and closeup would help http://lugerforum.com/lugermarkings/suffix2.html

5. SE83 – SE63 – manufacturing inspection stamps? (What is the stamp next to these and on the barrel)

Government military inspection acceptance stamps followed by a proof stamp.

6. 5189 and 89 on various pieces – pieces are original manufacture?

Made and shipped with the luger. All matching is collectible. Also look for a "52" or "51" inside the trigger plate.

7. Number under 5189 on barrel -? (8 82)

The 9mm bore measurement after gauging during the manufacture process (see the FAQ)

8. All matching – can you give me a listing of ALL PARTS that are numbered?

(See the FAQ)

9. I have three magazines. Two with wooden bases one of which has the word GERMANY on the bottom and a 6 at the base of one side. And one magazine with an aluminum base with characters on it.

OK... The only one that might be contemporary with the gun is the aluminum based one.

10. I noticed that on the butt of the pistol there is a small loop of metal. Was this for a lanyard in case of dropping the weapon would not be lost? I remember when I was on ships at sea that when we did familiarization firing with our pistols there was a lanyard we would put over our neck in case a person lost their grip on the weapon. Is this a similar safety feature?

Lanyard loop. Generally not used. Early pistols had a short loop of leather to help facilitate removal from a holster.

11. What was the loading tool used for?

Loading the magazine and removing the firing pin guide from the breech block (a little screwdriver)

Marc

Doug51 · 07-14-2017, 10:18 AM

Thanks very much. Pretty much just what I wanted. I have downloaded the FAQ and will check it for more info. Thanks again for your help Marc.

Doug

mrerick · 07-14-2017, 10:19 AM

Here's how the lanyard loop was used on my 1900 Swiss:

DonVoigt · 07-14-2017, 01:27 PM

The tool is also sized to fit the grip screws; I don't find it very helpful for the striker removal, it is too big.

kurusu · 07-14-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

The tool is also sized to fit the grip screws; I don't find it very helpful for the striker removal, it is too big.

The screw driver from a Swiss Army knife will fit the grips screws and the striker retainer. I often wonder if it is only a coincidence.

And you can also use the small screw driver/can opener to pull the sear bar spring out, instead of just using a finger nail (that's what I generally do

).

Sergio Natali · 07-15-2017, 11:00 AM

Dug

Welcome to this forum, if I were you I would first read all the FAQ pages, where I'm sure you'll already find many answers to your questions.

JMO this is one of the best gun forums among the several I belong to, to me it's quite a learning experience, I hope you'll enjoy your time here.

Life is good.

07-13-2017, 07:12 PM	#1
Doug51 New User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Passing on info to the younguns. I have spent the better part of the day looking over your site and have found it to be exceedingly helpful. I am not sure if I am putting this message in the right place but please bare with me. I have found a lot of information but I have a couple of questions I would like to clarify. Lugar Information Questions 1. 1938 – year manufactured? 2. S/42 – Mauser manufacture Concealment Code? (What is a concealment code) 3. 5189 – Serial #? 4. b - ? (according to your listing it is probably an L and not a B 5. SE83 – SE63 – manufacturing inspection stamps? (What is the stamp next to these and on the barrel) 6. 5189 and 89 on various pieces – pieces are original manufacture? 7. Number under 5189 on barrel -? (8 82) 8. All matching – can you give me a listing of ALL PARTS that are numbered? 9. I have three magazines. Two with wooden bases one of which has the word GERMANY on the bottom and a 6 at the base of one side. And one magazine with an aluminum base with characters on it. 10. I noticed that on the butt of the pistol there is a small loop of metal. Was this for a lanyard in case of dropping the weapon would not be lost? I remember when I was on ships at sea that when we did familiarization firing with our pistols there was a lanyard we would put over our neck in case a person lost their grip on the weapon. Is this a similar safety feature? 11. What was the loading tool used for? Thank you very much for all your help. Doug Attached Thumbnails

07-13-2017, 07:48 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,919 Thanks: 1,998 Thanked 4,511 Times in 2,083 Posts	Welcome to the formum. What you have, is a made in 1938 and the manufacturer is Mauser, concealment code was the Germans trying to prevent the allies from knowing what you had and who was making it. I think our frequently asked questions covers several of the questions that you were asking. Lanyard loop is on rear, just below the toggle. Germany marked magazine was for export, usually USA sales. An aluminum bass magazine is what would have come with your luger along with two matching numbered magazines. Items marked are in the frequently asked questions which is under new collectors part of the forum. Loading tool is used to make the loading of your magazine much easier, and it goes on upside down and pushes down. Once you've seen it done, it's very easy. The round hole goes over the follower button on the magazine and then you push down with your thumb on the big round part __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-14-2017, 10:05 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi Doug, while a member for awhile, welcome to posting to the forum. Please take a look a the FAQ PDF document. It will answer many of your questions and prove a useful reference in the future. I maintain the document and put the work in so that we don't have to repeatedly answer similar questions. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121 __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-14-2017, 10:12 AM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I will try to answer your questions below: 1. 1938 – year manufactured? yes 2. S/42 – Mauser manufacture Concealment Code? (What is a concealment code) Military security to hide manufacturers from the enemy 3. 5189 – Serial #? Part of it. The suffix "b" is part of it too. 4. b - ? (according to your listing it is probably an L and not a B I'm thinking "b", but a better picture sharp and closeup would help http://lugerforum.com/lugermarkings/suffix2.html 5. SE83 – SE63 – manufacturing inspection stamps? (What is the stamp next to these and on the barrel) Government military inspection acceptance stamps followed by a proof stamp. 6. 5189 and 89 on various pieces – pieces are original manufacture? Made and shipped with the luger. All matching is collectible. Also look for a "52" or "51" inside the trigger plate. 7. Number under 5189 on barrel -? (8 82) The 9mm bore measurement after gauging during the manufacture process (see the FAQ) 8. All matching – can you give me a listing of ALL PARTS that are numbered? (See the FAQ) 9. I have three magazines. Two with wooden bases one of which has the word GERMANY on the bottom and a 6 at the base of one side. And one magazine with an aluminum base with characters on it. OK... The only one that might be contemporary with the gun is the aluminum based one. 10. I noticed that on the butt of the pistol there is a small loop of metal. Was this for a lanyard in case of dropping the weapon would not be lost? I remember when I was on ships at sea that when we did familiarization firing with our pistols there was a lanyard we would put over our neck in case a person lost their grip on the weapon. Is this a similar safety feature? Lanyard loop. Generally not used. Early pistols had a short loop of leather to help facilitate removal from a holster. 11. What was the loading tool used for? Loading the magazine and removing the firing pin guide from the breech block (a little screwdriver) Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-14-2017, 10:18 AM	#10
Doug51 New User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks very much. Pretty much just what I wanted. I have downloaded the FAQ and will check it for more info. Thanks again for your help Marc. Doug Last edited by Doug51; 07-14-2017 at 11:36 AM.

07-13-2017, 09:22 PM	#4
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 640 Thanks: 345 Thanked 1,148 Times in 382 Posts	We should tell Ed it's "Luger", not "lucre". Too funny.... "lucre" [FIXED - JS]

07-13-2017, 10:40 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	A rough crowd tonight... dju

07-14-2017, 10:19 AM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Here's how the lanyard loop was used on my 1900 Swiss: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-14-2017, 01:27 PM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	The tool is also sized to fit the grip screws; I don't find it very helpful for the striker removal, it is too big. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-15-2017, 11:00 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Dug Welcome to this forum, if I were you I would first read all the FAQ pages, where I'm sure you'll already find many answers to your questions. JMO this is one of the best gun forums among the several I belong to, to me it's quite a learning experience, I hope you'll enjoy your time here. Life is good. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.