One To Watch...

Pete Ebbink · 06-09-2005, 11:47 PM

None of these appear in my 11-12 Swiss luger and holster books..

The auction ad reads as :

" WWII Rare Luger Holster 1906/24 Swiss Canvas / Leather Rig "

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...538716117&rd=1

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 12:36 AM

Pete,

I'm really curious about that holster...........and I'm the rookie. I've only been looking at these for a few weeks and that holster looks like a home made job to me. The leather looks too new and the snaps look too new. Look at the clean edge around the top of the magazine. It looks like it was just cut. Canvas? Did they make those?

Am I wrong?

Pete, I know you know your Swiss stuff. What do you think?

Steve

Navy · 06-10-2005, 08:57 AM

Consider the source.......

Tom A.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-10-2005, 10:02 AM

Steve, If this were not made yesterday, say 1929, it would have some age patina as you have indicated it should. Holsters are like any other antique. If it looks brand new and is supposed to be 70 years old, it is automatically suspect.
Tom has said on many an occasion, the tuition to Luger U. is steep unless you ask questions, study the books and do your homework. Buy the books available in your specific collecting field. If it's Swiss....buy all you can find. It will save you money in the long run.
I don't buy(can't afford) Swiss so I don't have many books on them. But If I did, I would buy them to protect myself.
The seller carefully does not mention originality nor authenticity. He seems to skirt the subject rather artfully....If Pete has never seen one and Tom is doubtfull I would run like a rabbit! Good Luck, Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 06-10-2005, 10:55 AM

I think you can special order them. I have been thinking about one in paisley to go with my wifeÃ¢??s purse.

wlyon · 06-10-2005, 12:06 PM

My wife wants one in purple since she is a red hatter. Wlyon

Edward Tinker · 06-10-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair
The seller carefully does not mention originality nor authenticity. He seems to skirt the subject rather artfully....If Pete has never seen one and Tom is doubtfull I would run like a rabbit! Good Luck, Jerry Burney

If it states WW2, "most" buyers would expect an original ww2 item...

Buyer Beware,

Ed

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 10:14 PM

You guys made my day. I raced home from work so I could see what you wrote. I've been glued to this site and trying to read all that I can to gain more knowledge on lugers. I have learned that I'll need to live another 50 years to learn just the basics. I was really worried that I might have made a bad call on this holster. I didn't think I did but I was still worried about it. I didn't want my "first" opinion to flop on me. If I was wrong, I would have had to change my posting name and start all over under a new name

Jerry, I bought one book and I'll get more. Your advise is good. In fact, it is so good, if I ever buy anything, I'll buy it from you guys. You know, like the holster you're repairing for me right now

Hey, maybe you can fill some of those special orders that the guys want.
You could start a whole new line

Ok, here's another related question. Are the grips on that gun pictured in the same auction, after market? I remember reading something on the site about grips with a border on them, but I don't recall what that was now.

Thanks,

Steve

Edward Tinker · 06-10-2005, 10:35 PM

Steve, some of the knowledge you read here is from repetition, hearing the same questions, some is by hard-earned mistakes (we all make them), and then those many books, help us remember all the "stuff" we forgot!

ed

Pete Ebbink · 06-10-2005, 10:36 PM

Steve,

The grips are proper for a Swiss M1906 W+F Bern luger (aka M1906/24 or just M1924).

There are some more recent repros like the Bern grips...made in Italy but the border is not as wide.

The finish on the luger in the holster photo is quite not right...

If you switch to the Swiss luger section, looks for Bill Lyon's photos of his nice M1906/24 Bern luger. You can see Bern grips close up.

Regards,

Pete...

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 10:41 PM

Pete,

Thanks..........I'll look at that in a second.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-10-2005, 10:41 PM

Steve, Don't make promises you can't keep, some of these guys are robbers!
I'll have to dig through the giant pile of holsters and see if you have one in there.
Which book do you have?
Jerry Burney

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 10:53 PM

I got "Luger Tips" by Michael Reese. I looked real hard at the book by Kenyon, but the guy wanted $60.00. The book is good, but I decided to shop around on that one since I won't have anytime to read it real soon. I told the guy that wanted to read it, not shoot it

It did look like a really good book. Hey, can you change that holster into a "lefty" so I can use it when I get it back

Seriously, have you guys ever seen any left handed holsters or did they just keep lefties in the bunkers somewhere?

Ron Wood · 06-10-2005, 11:11 PM

That $60 is cheap tuition to help you get acquainted with most of the major variations and help zero in on your collecting interest. And even though it is more than 35 years old, you will go back to it time after time when you see or read about another variation. It is the best basic primer for the beginner. For really authoritive recent info, you will need to "graduate" to Jan Still's books. I probably have 50 or more Luger books in 6 different languages and I check them all every now and then.

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 11:19 PM

Ron,

You are right, I'll pick it up next time I see it. I looked it over pretty good and it did look to be an excellent resource. I'll also look into the other ones you suggest.

Pete,

I couldn't find that posting on Bills gun. Which thread is it.

Steve

Pete Ebbink · 06-10-2005, 11:32 PM

3rd. posting in the Swiss Luger section...

Here is a link to Bob and Brad Simpson's web site...lots of great Swiss luger photos one can study there...

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=1_13

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 11:40 PM

Pete,

I love it when you put the links in the post. It makes it sooooooooo much easier. Good moderator, facilitator and just a good helper.

Thanks!

Steve

Steve71 · 06-10-2005, 11:45 PM

Pete,

After I went to that site, I'm convinced you guys are sucking me into an awful thing

That's the kind of thing that will make a guy quite his job, rob banks, get a divorce and maybe even start gamblin'. You guys bring the "devil" out in me

Oh, those are sweet guns! I need a beer!

Steve

06-09-2005, 11:47 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	One To Watch... None of these appear in my 11-12 Swiss luger and holster books.. The auction ad reads as : " WWII Rare Luger Holster 1906/24 Swiss Canvas / Leather Rig " http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...538716117&rd=1

06-10-2005, 12:36 AM	#2
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, I'm really curious about that holster...........and I'm the rookie. I've only been looking at these for a few weeks and that holster looks like a home made job to me. The leather looks too new and the snaps look too new. Look at the clean edge around the top of the magazine. It looks like it was just cut. Canvas? Did they make those? Am I wrong? Pete, I know you know your Swiss stuff. What do you think? Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 10:02 AM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,866 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Steve, If this were not made yesterday, say 1929, it would have some age patina as you have indicated it should. Holsters are like any other antique. If it looks brand new and is supposed to be 70 years old, it is automatically suspect. Tom has said on many an occasion, the tuition to Luger U. is steep unless you ask questions, study the books and do your homework. Buy the books available in your specific collecting field. If it's Swiss....buy all you can find. It will save you money in the long run. I don't buy(can't afford) Swiss so I don't have many books on them. But If I did, I would buy them to protect myself. The seller carefully does not mention originality nor authenticity. He seems to skirt the subject rather artfully....If Pete has never seen one and Tom is doubtfull I would run like a rabbit! Good Luck, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-10-2005, 10:55 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I think you can special order them. I have been thinking about one in paisley to go with my wifeÃ¢??s purse. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-10-2005, 12:06 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,145 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	My wife wants one in purple since she is a red hatter. Wlyon __________________ Bill Lyon

06-10-2005, 08:57 AM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Consider the source....... Tom A.

06-10-2005, 10:14 PM	#8
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You guys made my day. I raced home from work so I could see what you wrote. I've been glued to this site and trying to read all that I can to gain more knowledge on lugers. I have learned that I'll need to live another 50 years to learn just the basics. I was really worried that I might have made a bad call on this holster. I didn't think I did but I was still worried about it. I didn't want my "first" opinion to flop on me. If I was wrong, I would have had to change my posting name and start all over under a new name Jerry, I bought one book and I'll get more. Your advise is good. In fact, it is so good, if I ever buy anything, I'll buy it from you guys. You know, like the holster you're repairing for me right now Hey, maybe you can fill some of those special orders that the guys want. You could start a whole new line Ok, here's another related question. Are the grips on that gun pictured in the same auction, after market? I remember reading something on the site about grips with a border on them, but I don't recall what that was now. Thanks, Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 10:35 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Steve, some of the knowledge you read here is from repetition, hearing the same questions, some is by hard-earned mistakes (we all make them), and then those many books, help us remember all the "stuff" we forgot! ed

06-10-2005, 10:36 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Steve, The grips are proper for a Swiss M1906 W+F Bern luger (aka M1906/24 or just M1924). There are some more recent repros like the Bern grips...made in Italy but the border is not as wide. The finish on the luger in the holster photo is quite not right... If you switch to the Swiss luger section, looks for Bill Lyon's photos of his nice M1906/24 Bern luger. You can see Bern grips close up. Regards, Pete...

06-10-2005, 10:41 PM	#11
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, Thanks..........I'll look at that in a second. __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 10:53 PM	#13
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I got "Luger Tips" by Michael Reese. I looked real hard at the book by Kenyon, but the guy wanted $60.00. The book is good, but I decided to shop around on that one since I won't have anytime to read it real soon. I told the guy that wanted to read it, not shoot it It did look like a really good book. Hey, can you change that holster into a "lefty" so I can use it when I get it back Seriously, have you guys ever seen any left handed holsters or did they just keep lefties in the bunkers somewhere? __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 11:11 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	That $60 is cheap tuition to help you get acquainted with most of the major variations and help zero in on your collecting interest. And even though it is more than 35 years old, you will go back to it time after time when you see or read about another variation. It is the best basic primer for the beginner. For really authoritive recent info, you will need to "graduate" to Jan Still's books. I probably have 50 or more Luger books in 6 different languages and I check them all every now and then. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-10-2005, 11:19 PM	#15
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, You are right, I'll pick it up next time I see it. I looked it over pretty good and it did look to be an excellent resource. I'll also look into the other ones you suggest. Pete, I couldn't find that posting on Bills gun. Which thread is it. Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 11:32 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	3rd. posting in the Swiss Luger section... Here is a link to Bob and Brad Simpson's web site...lots of great Swiss luger photos one can study there... http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=1_13

06-10-2005, 11:40 PM	#17
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, I love it when you put the links in the post. It makes it sooooooooo much easier. Good moderator, facilitator and just a good helper. Thanks! Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-10-2005, 11:45 PM	#18
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, After I went to that site, I'm convinced you guys are sucking me into an awful thing That's the kind of thing that will make a guy quite his job, rob banks, get a divorce and maybe even start gamblin'. You guys bring the "devil" out in me Oh, those are sweet guns! I need a beer! Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".