Luger Deactivation???

Thor · 04-26-2003, 11:11 AM

Started on a 1918 DWM last night, the darn breech block has a big blob of what appears to be some type of soldier on the outside over the firing pin hole. I assume this was to deactivate it. Anybody ever see this before? The more I work on these guns, the crazier things I see. This was the same Luger that was missing the hold open device, the trigger and spring, the take down lever and spring, and the entire side plate assembly. Other than that a totally matching and righteous Luger. "What the hey?"

lugerholsterrepair · 04-26-2003, 01:12 PM

Thor, Lots of people out there without a molecule of sense in their head. I get holsters in here with the same unexplained idiot tricks. Glue, held together with nails, wire and string. Who knows...Jerry Burney

Vlim · 04-28-2003, 07:06 AM

Hi,

In many European countries, strict gun laws mean that one can only keep certain guns that are rendered useless in quite crude manners. Over here in the Netherlands, a side arm like the Luger may only be owned by someone without a gun permit if it has been split in half... Certain rifles may be owned if they are completely welded shut, the barrel has been perforated at 3 positions and a metal rod is welded into the mouth of the gun. Other European countries allow people to own 'decoration weapons' if the firing mechanism is completely destroyed.

unspellable · 04-28-2003, 05:51 PM

Here in Cedar Rapids we have the case of the widow who used the police loaner buzzer engraver to mark her husband's P38 collection.

I have a 1909 Colt New Service chambered for the 1909 Colt 45 cartridge (Not the same as the 45 Colt). This revolver has a mirror bright bore, very rare, all matching in nice shape. Too bad some one saw fit to reblue it, engine turn the hammer and checker the original matching grips. There were only a tad over 2000 of these made, almost all saw service in the Philippine Insurrection and are viewed as a very desirable collector's item. The majority have next to no bore left. As is, this thing is worth around $600. What would it be worth in the original? $2000 ?

Oh well, I can console myself with my rare all original officer's model nickle plated Parabellum. (Yes, it's original. As far as I can tell it has only been nickle plated once.)

Edward Tinker · 04-28-2003, 07:00 PM

Nice sounding gun, I don't mind if they have been messed with back then (prefer them not messed with), as it was just a gun that Bob Smith bought back then, decided to make it nice by the hammer work, etc., on it.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Oh well, I can console myself with my rare all original officer's model nickle plated Parabellum. (Yes, it's original. As far as I can tell it has only been nickle plated once.) <hr /></blockquote>You kill me

Ed

John Sabato · 04-29-2003, 02:13 PM

Please... don't even start with the story of the Officer's initials being engraved on the toggle (DWM)...

Roadkill · 04-29-2003, 09:53 PM

Lets see... For Sale: rare, nickel plated/ chromed for submarine duty, direct vet purchase, all matching but the bolt(armorer's field replacement), initals scratched carved/engraved/etched/whittled on grips and frame, once painted but wire brushed and polished, old reblue, stored 50 years in a holster, took off a dead German Officer, blood pitting, owner's initals on toggle, S42 double date Luger in .30 caliber. $2500.
Holster and capture papers availabe for additional fee. Serious inquiries only.

rk

Johnny C. Kitchens · 04-29-2003, 10:29 PM

WOW, just think of how much more valuable it would be if it would have had the rare presentation plastic mother of pearl grips, with a swastika and the initials AH on them...

A true dream find of the 21st Century...

Jim Keenan · 05-09-2003, 02:43 PM

This could have been done in this country when GI's brought pistols back through New York. The NYC authorities told the returning heroes that they would be arrested when they stepped onto the Sacred Sullivan Soil if they didn't allow their pistols to be deactivated. Most considered this to be much like the Nazism they had been fighting and ignored the American Hitlers, but some did actually submit their guns for welding. I have seen two Lugers, a Mauser C96 and a Radom that were given "the treatment" at the NY POE (BART).

Jim

Thor · 05-09-2003, 04:11 PM

Well, got this Luger up and running, checked head space and headed for the range, had to replace the EXTRACTOR also, it had a burr of weldmetal melted into it. This gun fired a 1" group at 25 yds (dont tell JD, he will accuse me of the "pencil treatment") It is ready to rock and roll now! lol

04-26-2003, 11:11 AM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Luger Deactivation??? Started on a 1918 DWM last night, the darn breech block has a big blob of what appears to be some type of soldier on the outside over the firing pin hole. I assume this was to deactivate it. Anybody ever see this before? The more I work on these guns, the crazier things I see. This was the same Luger that was missing the hold open device, the trigger and spring, the take down lever and spring, and the entire side plate assembly. Other than that a totally matching and righteous Luger. "What the hey?" __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-26-2003, 01:12 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Thor, Lots of people out there without a molecule of sense in their head. I get holsters in here with the same unexplained idiot tricks. Glue, held together with nails, wire and string. Who knows...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-28-2003, 07:00 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Nice sounding gun, I don't mind if they have been messed with back then (prefer them not messed with), as it was just a gun that Bob Smith bought back then, decided to make it nice by the hammer work, etc., on it. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Oh well, I can console myself with my rare all original officer's model nickle plated Parabellum. (Yes, it's original. As far as I can tell it has only been nickle plated once.) </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">You kill me Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-29-2003, 02:13 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Please... don't even start with the story of the Officer's initials being engraved on the toggle (DWM)... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-29-2003, 10:29 PM	#8
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	WOW, just think of how much more valuable it would be if it would have had the rare presentation plastic mother of pearl grips, with a swastika and the initials AH on them... A true dream find of the 21st Century... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

04-28-2003, 07:06 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,046 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,946 Times in 1,197 Posts	Hi, In many European countries, strict gun laws mean that one can only keep certain guns that are rendered useless in quite crude manners. Over here in the Netherlands, a side arm like the Luger may only be owned by someone without a gun permit if it has been split in half... Certain rifles may be owned if they are completely welded shut, the barrel has been perforated at 3 positions and a metal rod is welded into the mouth of the gun. Other European countries allow people to own 'decoration weapons' if the firing mechanism is completely destroyed.

04-28-2003, 05:51 PM	#4
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	Here in Cedar Rapids we have the case of the widow who used the police loaner buzzer engraver to mark her husband's P38 collection. I have a 1909 Colt New Service chambered for the 1909 Colt 45 cartridge (Not the same as the 45 Colt). This revolver has a mirror bright bore, very rare, all matching in nice shape. Too bad some one saw fit to reblue it, engine turn the hammer and checker the original matching grips. There were only a tad over 2000 of these made, almost all saw service in the Philippine Insurrection and are viewed as a very desirable collector's item. The majority have next to no bore left. As is, this thing is worth around $600. What would it be worth in the original? $2000 ? Oh well, I can console myself with my rare all original officer's model nickle plated Parabellum. (Yes, it's original. As far as I can tell it has only been nickle plated once.)

04-29-2003, 09:53 PM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Lets see... For Sale: rare, nickel plated/ chromed for submarine duty, direct vet purchase, all matching but the bolt(armorer's field replacement), initals scratched carved/engraved/etched/whittled on grips and frame, once painted but wire brushed and polished, old reblue, stored 50 years in a holster, took off a dead German Officer, blood pitting, owner's initals on toggle, S42 double date Luger in .30 caliber. $2500. Holster and capture papers availabe for additional fee. Serious inquiries only. rk

05-09-2003, 02:43 PM	#9
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This could have been done in this country when GI's brought pistols back through New York. The NYC authorities told the returning heroes that they would be arrested when they stepped onto the Sacred Sullivan Soil if they didn't allow their pistols to be deactivated. Most considered this to be much like the Nazism they had been fighting and ignored the American Hitlers, but some did actually submit their guns for welding. I have seen two Lugers, a Mauser C96 and a Radom that were given "the treatment" at the NY POE (BART). Jim

05-09-2003, 04:11 PM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Well, got this Luger up and running, checked head space and headed for the range, had to replace the EXTRACTOR also, it had a burr of weldmetal melted into it. This gun fired a 1" group at 25 yds (dont tell JD, he will accuse me of the "pencil treatment") It is ready to rock and roll now! lol __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."