Help with First War 9mm ammunition please

josef · 01-07-2004, 10:52 PM

I am attempting to trade this ammunition for a K98 part, but I would like the experts' opinions here on what I have. All heads are marked and dated., all dates between 1912-1918. Nine are dated S 6 17, four dated Ge 1 18 D, two dated Ge 12 17 D, and the last one DWM 12 K 8 (with flat head). Should all rounds match the manufacturing date on the box as in WW2 9mm? Is the blunt flat head cartridge correct for the DWM? Any idea of what value these may have? And finally, are these even German rounds? Thanks very much, hope the pics help.

Imperial Arms · 01-08-2004, 12:58 AM

Although I am not an expert with military ammunition, typically all the ammunition in a full box/packet should have the same date as the label. In the case of your ammunition, collectors would prefer to have the headstamp with 'DWM' and cone shaped bullets.

Maybe another member on this forum could provide answers and specific details to the rest of your questions.

Cheers,
Albert

Vlim · 01-08-2004, 11:42 AM

S 6 17:
Spandau,
lot 6, 1917

GE 1 18 D:
G. Egerstorff & Cie, Linden bei Harz
Lot 1, 1918
(these seem to belong to the box)

GE 12 17 D:
G. Egerstorff & Cie, Linden bei Harz
Lot 12, 1917

DWM 12 K 8:
Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken, Karlsruhe
Lot 8, 1912.
The blunt flat-head is correct. These were the first design, later replaced by the round nose version because of feeding problems in the Trommelmagazin with flat nose rounds.

So the box has 4 original cartrigdes in it, the rest dates from WWI, but was added to the box later, not originally.

They are all german rounds. No idea of the value, though. I paid about 3 USD for a single unfired 1917 DWM cartridge last year.

George Anderson · 01-08-2004, 05:31 PM

I have paid as much as $100 for an unopened box this past year.

Vlim · 01-09-2004, 09:12 AM

Please note that the references for the residence of G. Egerstorff differ, both Harz and Hannover are mentioned. Dunno if the town changed names

josef · 01-09-2004, 10:10 AM

Thank you all very much! Too bad they are not all matching. Take are,
Joe

01-07-2004, 10:52 PM	#1
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Help with First War 9mm ammunition please I am attempting to trade this ammunition for a K98 part, but I would like the experts' opinions here on what I have. All heads are marked and dated., all dates between 1912-1918. Nine are dated S 6 17, four dated Ge 1 18 D, two dated Ge 12 17 D, and the last one DWM 12 K 8 (with flat head). Should all rounds match the manufacturing date on the box as in WW2 9mm? Is the blunt flat head cartridge correct for the DWM? Any idea of what value these may have? And finally, are these even German rounds? Thanks very much, hope the pics help.

01-08-2004, 12:58 AM	#2
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Although I am not an expert with military ammunition, typically all the ammunition in a full box/packet should have the same date as the label. In the case of your ammunition, collectors would prefer to have the headstamp with 'DWM' and cone shaped bullets. Maybe another member on this forum could provide answers and specific details to the rest of your questions. Cheers, Albert

01-08-2004, 11:42 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,048 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,952 Times in 1,199 Posts	S 6 17: Spandau, lot 6, 1917 GE 1 18 D: G. Egerstorff & Cie, Linden bei Harz Lot 1, 1918 (these seem to belong to the box) GE 12 17 D: G. Egerstorff & Cie, Linden bei Harz Lot 12, 1917 DWM 12 K 8: Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken, Karlsruhe Lot 8, 1912. The blunt flat-head is correct. These were the first design, later replaced by the round nose version because of feeding problems in the Trommelmagazin with flat nose rounds. So the box has 4 original cartrigdes in it, the rest dates from WWI, but was added to the box later, not originally. They are all german rounds. No idea of the value, though. I paid about 3 USD for a single unfired 1917 DWM cartridge last year.

01-08-2004, 05:31 PM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I have paid as much as $100 for an unopened box this past year.

01-09-2004, 09:12 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,048 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,952 Times in 1,199 Posts	Please note that the references for the residence of G. Egerstorff differ, both Harz and Hannover are mentioned. Dunno if the town changed names

01-09-2004, 10:10 AM	#6
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you all very much! Too bad they are not all matching. Take are, Joe