Unmarked Luger?

TN Mike · 08-31-2013, 10:13 PM

I've come across an "unmarked" luger pistol and would like to know who made it and the value. All serial numbers match on it, but there is no date on the chamber and no markings on the toggle. It has the stock lug, German proof marks, and no import marks. The only numbers that is different on it is a 168. on the front of the mag well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

alanint · 09-01-2013, 08:23 AM

Could you please show how the sideplate and takedown lever are numbered? No chamber date? Your middle toggle has a grind mark on it, which would indicate a removed "DWM".
Your pistol is also missing its takedown spring.

SteveM · 09-01-2013, 09:03 AM

'29 DWM also known as1933 Sneak. Serial suffixes were some late r's, and s,t,u. It is a police pistol as evidenced by the sear safety, the riveted narrow piece of steel on top of the sideplate. Are the last 2 digits of the serial number hidden? That is, on lower edge of sideplate and the takedown lever? Any letters/numbers on the front gripstrap?

Some of these do have the DWM on the center link, none of them are dated. Yours is perfectly normal.

TN Mike · 09-01-2013, 09:09 AM

The lever and side plate have the serial number on the bottom of it.

There is no markings on the side of the side plate.

SteveM · 09-01-2013, 09:16 AM

I see something on lower edge of sideplate but it is not to clear. Is it 673?

mrerick · 09-01-2013, 09:19 AM

From the additional pictures... The takedown lever and side plate are both numbered in the style of a commercial Luger from DWM.

The pistol has the sear safety used by the police, and shows evidence of the removal of a magazine safety as well.

Is the brown material dried grease? Is there a shim of some type between the frame and receiver up front, or is that dried grease / cosmoline?

If it's rust, you should take things apart and begin an oil soak and gentle steel wool removal of the red iron oxide.

The proof marks on the receiver and barrel are from the Weimar era after WW-I and before 1936.

Marc

TN Mike · 09-01-2013, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveM

I see something on lower edge of sideplate but it is not to clear. Is it 673?

Yes. The side plate has the last 3 digits on the bottom and the take down lever has the last 2.

TN Mike · 09-01-2013, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Is the brown material dried grease? Is there a shim of some type between the frame and receiver up front, or is that dried grease / cosmoline?

Marc

That is grease.

TN Mike · 09-01-2013, 09:23 AM

Any idea as to the value of this one? The mag looks to be SS and is marked made in Switzerland so not original.

TN Mike · 09-01-2013, 09:55 AM

Also, any ideas as to the "168."?

08-31-2013, 10:13 PM	#1
TN Mike User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unmarked Luger? I've come across an "unmarked" luger pistol and would like to know who made it and the value. All serial numbers match on it, but there is no date on the chamber and no markings on the toggle. It has the stock lug, German proof marks, and no import marks. The only numbers that is different on it is a 168. on the front of the mag well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

09-01-2013, 09:19 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	From the additional pictures... The takedown lever and side plate are both numbered in the style of a commercial Luger from DWM. The pistol has the sear safety used by the police, and shows evidence of the removal of a magazine safety as well. Is the brown material dried grease? Is there a shim of some type between the frame and receiver up front, or is that dried grease / cosmoline? If it's rust, you should take things apart and begin an oil soak and gentle steel wool removal of the red iron oxide. The proof marks on the receiver and barrel are from the Weimar era after WW-I and before 1936. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-01-2013, 08:23 AM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Could you please show how the sideplate and takedown lever are numbered? No chamber date? Your middle toggle has a grind mark on it, which would indicate a removed "DWM". Your pistol is also missing its takedown spring.

09-01-2013, 09:03 AM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	'29 DWM also known as1933 Sneak. Serial suffixes were some late r's, and s,t,u. It is a police pistol as evidenced by the sear safety, the riveted narrow piece of steel on top of the sideplate. Are the last 2 digits of the serial number hidden? That is, on lower edge of sideplate and the takedown lever? Any letters/numbers on the front gripstrap? Some of these do have the DWM on the center link, none of them are dated. Yours is perfectly normal.

09-01-2013, 09:09 AM	#4
TN Mike User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The lever and side plate have the serial number on the bottom of it. There is no markings on the side of the side plate.

09-01-2013, 09:16 AM	#5
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I see something on lower edge of sideplate but it is not to clear. Is it 673?

09-01-2013, 09:23 AM	#9
TN Mike User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any idea as to the value of this one? The mag looks to be SS and is marked made in Switzerland so not original.

09-01-2013, 09:55 AM	#10
TN Mike User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, any ideas as to the "168."?