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TN Mike 08-31-2013 10:13 PM

Unmarked Luger?
 
I've come across an "unmarked" luger pistol and would like to know who made it and the value. All serial numbers match on it, but there is no date on the chamber and no markings on the toggle. It has the stock lug, German proof marks, and no import marks. The only numbers that is different on it is a 168. on the front of the mag well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps8c62d7a4.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...psc85aba22.jpg
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alanint 09-01-2013 08:23 AM

Could you please show how the sideplate and takedown lever are numbered? No chamber date? Your middle toggle has a grind mark on it, which would indicate a removed "DWM".
Your pistol is also missing its takedown spring.

SteveM 09-01-2013 09:03 AM

'29 DWM also known as1933 Sneak. Serial suffixes were some late r's, and s,t,u. It is a police pistol as evidenced by the sear safety, the riveted narrow piece of steel on top of the sideplate. Are the last 2 digits of the serial number hidden? That is, on lower edge of sideplate and the takedown lever? Any letters/numbers on the front gripstrap?

Some of these do have the DWM on the center link, none of them are dated. Yours is perfectly normal.

TN Mike 09-01-2013 09:09 AM

The lever and side plate have the serial number on the bottom of it.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...psa4fbe2cc.jpg

There is no markings on the side of the side plate.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps44c165d2.jpg

SteveM 09-01-2013 09:16 AM

I see something on lower edge of sideplate but it is not to clear. Is it 673?

mrerick 09-01-2013 09:19 AM

From the additional pictures... The takedown lever and side plate are both numbered in the style of a commercial Luger from DWM.

The pistol has the sear safety used by the police, and shows evidence of the removal of a magazine safety as well.

Is the brown material dried grease? Is there a shim of some type between the frame and receiver up front, or is that dried grease / cosmoline?

If it's rust, you should take things apart and begin an oil soak and gentle steel wool removal of the red iron oxide.

The proof marks on the receiver and barrel are from the Weimar era after WW-I and before 1936.

Marc

TN Mike 09-01-2013 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveM (Post 239630)
I see something on lower edge of sideplate but it is not to clear. Is it 673?

Yes. The side plate has the last 3 digits on the bottom and the take down lever has the last 2.

TN Mike 09-01-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick (Post 239631)

Is the brown material dried grease? Is there a shim of some type between the frame and receiver up front, or is that dried grease / cosmoline?


Marc

That is grease.

TN Mike 09-01-2013 09:23 AM

Any idea as to the value of this one? The mag looks to be SS and is marked made in Switzerland so not original.

TN Mike 09-01-2013 09:55 AM

Also, any ideas as to the "168."?


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