Strange letters on receiver

cameleon · 10-01-2003, 01:12 PM

hello, new on your forum! a frog from France

and here are my first message: on the left side of receiver engraved letters "Q Q" head I sought which was the significance without success could you help me? it acts of a "DWM 1910"
(excuse my bad English)

John Sabato · 10-01-2003, 01:21 PM

cameleon,

I think you will have to post photographs of this stamp for us to comment intelligently...

Check the Site Help & Feedback Forum for a tutorial on how to post photographs.

You can also check the Technical information pages of this website to see if the marks you are investigating are shown there with an explanation.

Welcome to the Lugerforum.

cameleon · 10-01-2003, 02:52 PM

Thank you for your answer JS, but if I had the possiblity to photograph, I would have done it but I do not have a numerical apparatus, however I will refer according to your council towards
technical information, but I have hardly hope to find there the answer. I have tried to clear up this mystery, with many gunsmith and collectors in France, but nobody could bring an answer to me. I will try to make a drawing representing the enigma.

John Sabato · 10-01-2003, 03:55 PM

If I post a graphic of the left side of the upper receiver, do you have the ability to draw such marks on the graphic and then re-post it so we have an idea of how these marks look and where they are located?

here is a sample left side with no marks...

Doubs · 10-01-2003, 04:11 PM

Uhhhhh, John....... that's the RIGHT side view!

If I'm reading Cameleon's post correctly, what he's describing are the typical inspection stamps that appear on the left side of early military Lugers, on the receiver and just in front of the side plate. Later production moved those stamps to the right side receiver wall. That's my guess, anyway!

Herb · 10-01-2003, 05:03 PM

Cameleon, in reading your first post you say these Q's are ENGRAVED, is that correct or did you mean stamped? To the best of my knowledge there should be only the serial number on the left side of the reciever of a 1910 model, nothing else. The meaning of these markings may be known only to the person putting them there.

cameleon · 10-02-2003, 06:48 AM

Thank you with all for your answers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I tried to pass it to the scanner and I obtained this that can it help you in your identification ?, it
acts of stamps and not of engravings, thank you once again of your assistance !!!

John Sabato · 10-02-2003, 09:50 AM

DUH! Sorry about the confusion... I guess I should have shown my 'military' left side huh? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

cameleon · 01-31-2004, 04:16 PM

Afflicted, but I rest my question because an answer there, can you did
not bring you help me to discover what these letters "QQ mean" (cf)
the photograph higher) thank you in advance <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Pete Ebbink · 01-31-2004, 06:25 PM

Hello Louis,

Could you tell us more about the luger on which these Q-Q markings appear...? Thats is what luger makers, what year, what model type, etc...

If appears (from the photo scan) that the area where the Q/Q is stamped may have had other markings that were "peened" away/down with a hammer. If we know more about your specific luger, we might be able to tell you what markings may have been there before they were replaced with the Q-Q stampings...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

cameleon · 02-01-2004, 05:01 AM

Hi Pete,

Thank you for your answer
It acts a model 1908 manufactured in 1910 by DWM, it is the model of the army (9mm). All other markings are carateristic and usual for a manufacture DWM. That can it help you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Lugerdoc · 02-02-2004, 12:28 PM

Cameleon, I've seen this marking before which I read as "CQ" on another luger shooter. My best WAG is that these were the initials of a previous owner or gunsmith. TH

mauro · 02-02-2004, 01:25 PM

Salut Louis,
et bienvenue. Je suis Mauro, modÃ?Â©rateur du Luger Artillerie topic. Je suis expatriÃ?Â© en France mais je suis Italien. SÃ¢??il te plait regarde mon site.
I cannot help you on this topic but I am happy when European Luger enthusiasts participate in the Luger Forum discussion.
LetÃ¢??s keep in touch.
Mauro
http://lugerlp08.free.fr/

10-01-2003, 01:12 PM	#1
cameleon User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Strange letters on receiver hello, new on your forum! a frog from France and here are my first message: on the left side of receiver engraved letters "Q Q" head I sought which was the significance without success could you help me? it acts of a "DWM 1910" (excuse my bad English) __________________ best regards The perfection is not a detail but the details make the perfection !

10-01-2003, 01:21 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	cameleon, I think you will have to post photographs of this stamp for us to comment intelligently... Check the Site Help & Feedback Forum for a tutorial on how to post photographs. You can also check the Technical information pages of this website to see if the marks you are investigating are shown there with an explanation. Welcome to the Lugerforum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-01-2003, 02:52 PM	#3
cameleon User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for your answer JS, but if I had the possiblity to photograph, I would have done it but I do not have a numerical apparatus, however I will refer according to your council towards technical information, but I have hardly hope to find there the answer. I have tried to clear up this mystery, with many gunsmith and collectors in France, but nobody could bring an answer to me. I will try to make a drawing representing the enigma. __________________ best regards The perfection is not a detail but the details make the perfection !

10-01-2003, 03:55 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	If I post a graphic of the left side of the upper receiver, do you have the ability to draw such marks on the graphic and then re-post it so we have an idea of how these marks look and where they are located? here is a sample left side with no marks... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-01-2003, 05:03 PM	#6
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Cameleon, in reading your first post you say these Q's are ENGRAVED, is that correct or did you mean stamped? To the best of my knowledge there should be only the serial number on the left side of the reciever of a 1910 model, nothing else. The meaning of these markings may be known only to the person putting them there. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-01-2003, 04:11 PM	#5
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,694 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,676 Times in 550 Posts	Uhhhhh, John....... that's the RIGHT side view! If I'm reading Cameleon's post correctly, what he's describing are the typical inspection stamps that appear on the left side of early military Lugers, on the receiver and just in front of the side plate. Later production moved those stamps to the right side receiver wall. That's my guess, anyway!

10-02-2003, 06:48 AM	#7
cameleon User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you with all for your answers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I tried to pass it to the scanner and I obtained this that can it help you in your identification ?, it acts of stamps and not of engravings, thank you once again of your assistance !!! __________________ best regards The perfection is not a detail but the details make the perfection !

10-02-2003, 09:50 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	DUH! Sorry about the confusion... I guess I should have shown my 'military' left side huh? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-31-2004, 04:16 PM	#9
cameleon User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Afflicted, but I rest my question because an answer there, can you did not bring you help me to discover what these letters "QQ mean" (cf) the photograph higher) thank you in advance <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ best regards The perfection is not a detail but the details make the perfection !

01-31-2004, 06:25 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Louis, Could you tell us more about the luger on which these Q-Q markings appear...? Thats is what luger makers, what year, what model type, etc... If appears (from the photo scan) that the area where the Q/Q is stamped may have had other markings that were "peened" away/down with a hammer. If we know more about your specific luger, we might be able to tell you what markings may have been there before they were replaced with the Q-Q stampings... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-01-2004, 05:01 AM	#11
cameleon User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete, Thank you for your answer It acts a model 1908 manufactured in 1910 by DWM, it is the model of the army (9mm). All other markings are carateristic and usual for a manufacture DWM. That can it help you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ best regards The perfection is not a detail but the details make the perfection !

02-02-2004, 12:28 PM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Cameleon, I've seen this marking before which I read as "CQ" on another luger shooter. My best WAG is that these were the initials of a previous owner or gunsmith. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-02-2004, 01:25 PM	#13
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Salut Louis, et bienvenue. Je suis Mauro, modÃ?Â©rateur du Luger Artillerie topic. Je suis expatriÃ?Â© en France mais je suis Italien. SÃ¢??il te plait regarde mon site. I cannot help you on this topic but I am happy when European Luger enthusiasts participate in the Luger Forum discussion. LetÃ¢??s keep in touch. Mauro http://lugerlp08.free.fr/ __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.