death head luger

04-02-2002, 11:16 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=3508185

Check it out, a few days ago this came up. Real or not? Why would there be the DH mark on a 1918 gun? Little before its time?

Roadkill

Thor · 04-02-2002, 11:18 PM

1917 & 1918 Erfurts and DWMS had this marking, but many on the market are not the original deal! Jan Still has some pictures of these in his books! Thor

Ron Wood · 04-03-2002, 12:16 AM

1918 is OK. The Death Head Lugers are WWI or later Freikorps. The Death Head isn't just a WWII insignia. Current guess is that they were WWI Flammenwerfer (flamethrower) issue. There was an earlier thread on this particular gun. I have one dated 1913 and have seen pictures of 1915, 1917 and 1918, both Erfurt and DWM.

Hugh · 04-03-2002, 01:08 AM

Ralph had (has?)a 1918 Erfurt DH for sale when we were in Phoenix.

Jesse · 04-03-2002, 01:47 AM

John Sabato · 04-03-2002, 01:54 AM

Check out the Mauser Bump at the rear of the toggle life ramps...

--regards, John Sabato

Thor · 04-03-2002, 01:58 AM

You got sharp eyes there John! Thor

Jesse · 04-03-2002, 03:21 AM

The trigger is blued not white/strawed

Roadkill · 04-03-2002, 11:10 AM

Is it real or not?

John Sabato · 04-03-2002, 12:10 PM

But the lower half is from a post 1937 Mauser and I think it is a parts gun...

just my $0.02,

John

Ron Wood · 04-03-2002, 02:04 PM

The receiver is Erfurt and looks fairly authentic for a Death Head. Wish there was a picture of the toggle assembly. It definately is a parts gun as John Sabato observed, but then a lot of Death Head Lugers are parts guns. Unfortunately, there are a number of fakes too. To my eye, the receiver is a "real" Death Head FWIW.

John Sabato · 04-03-2002, 02:36 PM

04-02-2002, 11:16 PM	#1
R. Grady/Roadkill Guest Posts: n/a	death head luger http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=3508185 Check it out, a few days ago this came up. Real or not? Why would there be the DH mark on a 1918 gun? Little before its time? Roadkill

04-02-2002, 11:18 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: death head luger 1917 & 1918 Erfurts and DWMS had this marking, but many on the market are not the original deal! Jan Still has some pictures of these in his books! Thor

04-03-2002, 12:16 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Re: death head luger 1918 is OK. The Death Head Lugers are WWI or later Freikorps. The Death Head isn't just a WWII insignia. Current guess is that they were WWI Flammenwerfer (flamethrower) issue. There was an earlier thread on this particular gun. I have one dated 1913 and have seen pictures of 1915, 1917 and 1918, both Erfurt and DWM.

04-03-2002, 01:08 AM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: death head luger Ralph had (has?)a 1918 Erfurt DH for sale when we were in Phoenix.

04-03-2002, 01:47 AM	#5
Jesse User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW VA Posts: 103 Thanks: 6 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Somebody Say death head luger (EOM)

04-03-2002, 01:54 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The grip frame is WW2 MAUSER production Check out the Mauser Bump at the rear of the toggle life ramps... --regards, John Sabato

04-03-2002, 01:58 AM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: The grip frame is WW2 MAUSER production You got sharp eyes there John! Thor

04-03-2002, 03:21 AM	#8
Jesse User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW VA Posts: 103 Thanks: 6 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The grip frame is WW2 MAUSER production The trigger is blued not white/strawed

04-03-2002, 11:10 AM	#9
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The grip frame is WW2 MAUSER production Is it real or not?

04-03-2002, 12:10 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The upper receiver might be original with the DH But the lower half is from a post 1937 Mauser and I think it is a parts gun... just my $0.02, John

04-03-2002, 02:04 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Re: The grip frame is WW2 MAUSER production The receiver is Erfurt and looks fairly authentic for a Death Head. Wish there was a picture of the toggle assembly. It definately is a parts gun as John Sabato observed, but then a lot of Death Head Lugers are parts guns. Unfortunately, there are a number of fakes too. To my eye, the receiver is a "real" Death Head FWIW.

04-03-2002, 02:36 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I concur Ron. The DH "looks" genuine to me too. (EOM)