Help with Luger markings please

josef · 06-27-2005, 11:41 PM

Hi, I am trying to identify a marking on a P08 that has been described to me as all matching including both mags. I don't have the year/code yet. Can anyone identify this marking? I have never seen it before, does it look Imperial? Thanks very mcuh,
Joe

policeluger · 06-28-2005, 12:19 AM

very grainy on my screen, looks to be a crown Nitro, sometimes refereed to as C/N...has a police sear safety, that spring steel band sitting atop the side plate....it would ID the gun as serving with the German police sometime prior to end of WW2....please let me know if I can help.

josef · 06-28-2005, 01:07 AM

Sorry for the poor pics, will psot better pics shortly, thanks very much,
Joe

josef · 06-28-2005, 01:18 AM

Here are the pics I have at the moment, any help would be appreciated, I se no WaA on closeup on the right side. Will try and get more details soon ,thanks!

josef · 06-28-2005, 01:19 AM

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 01:52 AM

So Joseph, are you buying this as a matching or "rig" that is police? The holster is police, the magazine looks like it could be?

Are there unit markings on it, and if so?

If it is crown N on the left, it won't have markings on the right, the crown N is the commercial acceptance, which can be seen on weimar alphabet police and others.

Are you looking for an Imperial marked luger?

Ed

josef · 06-28-2005, 05:14 AM

Hi Ed, thanks very much, my area of focus is 3rd Reich, although all Lugers are beautiful, right? The price is very fair I think, which is attractive to me, can always trade it. I will admit the obvious, I don't know the first thing about police Lugers. Will try for nore info soon, thanks again,
Joe

John Sabato · 06-28-2005, 11:16 AM

this is DEFINITELY a police luger... notice the spring clip that acts as a sear safety just above the sear bar... This was a police modification.

Don M · 06-28-2005, 12:48 PM

josef,

Any marks on the front grip strap?

josef · 06-28-2005, 01:09 PM

Hello Gentlemen, thanks for the information. I am currently awaiting more information. The man I am in contact with has been trying to get information for me, including any grip strap markings. Can I ask, do police Lugers have a higher collector demand than Third Reich Lugers? It's really out of my scope. Thanks Gentlemen

Joe

josef · 07-05-2005, 12:07 AM

Here is the email I received, no markings on the grip strap (none mentioned anyway after I asked).

"There are no markings on the toggle that I can see. The serial number is 8185 if that helps. All of the parts that are stamped are "85" so everything matches.

There is a scroll engraved marking that looks like "DMC" or "DWC" on the top of the receiver near the toggle.

Tha clips are aluminum as far as I can tell, and are serialed with the "8485" and the designation "1" and "2" which I assume designated the original and spare. One of the mags has a very small eagle/nazi emblem on it.

The holster is in good shape, but I see few markings on it. There is a stamp on the back with the makers name and city.

He tells me that he was told by the person he bought it from that it was a pre-war manufacture, likely a police gun."

Is this a desireable rig?
I know if it was military it would be (all maching with mags), but I am really out of my scope here on police rigs. Thanks very much for any help.
Joe

06-27-2005, 11:41 PM	#1
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Help with Luger markings please Hi, I am trying to identify a marking on a P08 that has been described to me as all matching including both mags. I don't have the year/code yet. Can anyone identify this marking? I have never seen it before, does it look Imperial? Thanks very mcuh, Joe Attached Thumbnails

06-28-2005, 01:18 AM	#4
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Here are the pics I have at the moment, any help would be appreciated, I se no WaA on closeup on the right side. Will try and get more details soon ,thanks! Attached Thumbnails

06-28-2005, 01:19 AM	#5
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	next Attached Thumbnails

06-28-2005, 05:14 AM	#7
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Ed, thanks very much, my area of focus is 3rd Reich, although all Lugers are beautiful, right? The price is very fair I think, which is attractive to me, can always trade it. I will admit the obvious, I don't know the first thing about police Lugers. Will try for nore info soon, thanks again, Joe Attached Thumbnails

06-28-2005, 11:16 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	this is DEFINITELY a police luger... notice the spring clip that acts as a sear safety just above the sear bar... This was a police modification. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-28-2005, 12:19 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	very grainy on my screen, looks to be a crown Nitro, sometimes refereed to as C/N...has a police sear safety, that spring steel band sitting atop the side plate....it would ID the gun as serving with the German police sometime prior to end of WW2....please let me know if I can help.

06-28-2005, 01:07 AM	#3
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Sorry for the poor pics, will psot better pics shortly, thanks very much, Joe

06-28-2005, 01:52 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	So Joseph, are you buying this as a matching or "rig" that is police? The holster is police, the magazine looks like it could be? Are there unit markings on it, and if so? If it is crown N on the left, it won't have markings on the right, the crown N is the commercial acceptance, which can be seen on weimar alphabet police and others. Are you looking for an Imperial marked luger? Ed

06-28-2005, 12:48 PM	#9
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	josef, Any marks on the front grip strap? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

06-28-2005, 01:09 PM	#10
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Hello Gentlemen, thanks for the information. I am currently awaiting more information. The man I am in contact with has been trying to get information for me, including any grip strap markings. Can I ask, do police Lugers have a higher collector demand than Third Reich Lugers? It's really out of my scope. Thanks Gentlemen Joe

07-05-2005, 12:07 AM	#11
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Here is the email I received, no markings on the grip strap (none mentioned anyway after I asked). "There are no markings on the toggle that I can see. The serial number is 8185 if that helps. All of the parts that are stamped are "85" so everything matches. There is a scroll engraved marking that looks like "DMC" or "DWC" on the top of the receiver near the toggle. Tha clips are aluminum as far as I can tell, and are serialed with the "8485" and the designation "1" and "2" which I assume designated the original and spare. One of the mags has a very small eagle/nazi emblem on it. The holster is in good shape, but I see few markings on it. There is a stamp on the back with the makers name and city. He tells me that he was told by the person he bought it from that it was a pre-war manufacture, likely a police gun." Is this a desireable rig? I know if it was military it would be (all maching with mags), but I am really out of my scope here on police rigs. Thanks very much for any help. Joe