Finnish Luger with Unit Disk?

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 02:23 AM

Anyone have a Finnish Luger WITH unit disk? How much does this add to the value? What if it were with a matching m39 (both shared the same unit disks)? Value/rarity?

I heard some fellas talking at a gunshow this weekend, figured I'd ask.

Thanks!

Ron Wood · 12-23-2007, 09:41 AM

A Finn disk, just the disk without grips or Luger, just sold on eBay for $255. Hard to find in the US.

You only need to post an inquiry in one of the topics. Posting multiple times does not enhance your chances of an answer and it results in splitting up responses.

TzDreamer · 12-23-2007, 10:59 AM

Ron is correct about the disk! Weapons rarely leave with them still in place.

Over the years I have seen 25 or 30 M1 Garands with the cut-out in the end of the pistol grip for them and not a single disk. It was a bit frustrating to see a perfect M1 (with a great matched cartouche stock) only to find a cut-out for a disk.

Edward Tinker · 12-23-2007, 11:48 AM

There is one ending on ebay soon, from whom I got my disc;

Here is my finn luger, 5 inch holster...

TzDreamer · 12-23-2007, 12:12 PM

Nice piece of quarter sawn oak as well!

Pete Ebbink · 12-23-2007, 01:21 PM

Here is the link to the recent ebay ad...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

You might want to email him to see if he could locate another for you...

This one on eBay looked new/clean...wonder if they are newly made or period-correct ?

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 02:35 PM

Fair enough on the double post. I originally posted it there, but then figured it may be better here. It's not a pure unit disk question, as it is more of a value question.

So any ideas how much a unit disk original to the luger with a m39 from the same unit, disk also original to the m39, would go for?

From best I can tell, if a unit disk is worth $225, and a Finn luger is worth $950, then it becomes a $1175. Same goes for a m39. If a m39 is worth $250 and it adds $225 or a unit disk then it's worth $475. So a combined value for the two is perhaps $1175+$475=$1650, which adds no bonus for them being a pair from the same unit. So maybe pad it by $100 to keep it as a pair, and make it $1750 for the couple?

Sound right? Or am I way off?

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 02:51 PM

Btw ed, that's a beauty.

Mauser720 · 12-23-2007, 04:53 PM

neoinarien -

You would want to make sure the disk is not a fake, and below are some comments by someone who would be considered an expert on Finnish Mosin Nagants.

Mauser720 - Ron

"These discs were dropped on most rifles around the time of the Winter War, as rifles that were captured gave too much information to the enemy. Some disks did survive but it is not common to locate rifles that still have these in place. It is most common to see such discs in M27 rifles. One might also see such a filled hole in areas of the stock where that could not have had a stock disc. In most cases this is a Finnish repair of stock damage. The repair is very common and almost looks like dark wood putty.

"Did the Finns use stock discs post war?

"Yes they did but again the use was not common. War era discs will be brass in look and color while the post war discs look like aluminum. In many cases these post war discs are artillery units the most common being 2.PSTO KAR PR. which is the 2nd Karelian Artillery Brigade these discs as far as I know being seen only on M39's. I have never seen a wartime M39 stock disc as it seems the Finns banned the use of these discs before M39 production got underway as a security measure. What is not known is why the practice was once again undertaken post war."

http://mosinnagant.net/finland/finnfaq.asp

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 05:21 PM

Here is a picture.

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 05:21 PM

And another of a different set.

the gunman · 12-23-2007, 07:35 PM

There is a guy in PA stamping out these disc's and larger other types with Waa stamps . Be CAREFUL . I have seen some of the examples. he has not yet quite figgered out how to age them. But give him some time . Im trying to get the name of the "Gent" no luck yet but will post if I do. The ones I have seen are excellent fakes. The one type Pete posted is one of them. There are other types as well.

neoinarien · 12-23-2007, 11:08 PM

Hmm, the guy I'm dealing with is from PA....

Edward Tinker · 12-23-2007, 11:26 PM

The one on ebay I think is Juha, and he is trustworthy and a member of this forum.

My disc came from him (Juha) and is of a school unit, which would not surprise me for still existing.

Ed

neoinarien · 12-24-2007, 02:13 AM

Different guy.

Edward Tinker · 12-24-2007, 02:14 AM

ahhh, thanks, will keep that in mind,

Ed

12-23-2007, 02:23 AM	#1
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Finnish Luger with Unit Disk? Anyone have a Finnish Luger WITH unit disk? How much does this add to the value? What if it were with a matching m39 (both shared the same unit disks)? Value/rarity? I heard some fellas talking at a gunshow this weekend, figured I'd ask. Thanks!

12-23-2007, 09:41 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	A Finn disk, just the disk without grips or Luger, just sold on eBay for $255. Hard to find in the US. You only need to post an inquiry in one of the topics. Posting multiple times does not enhance your chances of an answer and it results in splitting up responses. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-23-2007, 11:48 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	There is one ending on ebay soon, from whom I got my disc; Here is my finn luger, 5 inch holster... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-23-2007, 04:53 PM	#9
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	neoinarien - You would want to make sure the disk is not a fake, and below are some comments by someone who would be considered an expert on Finnish Mosin Nagants. Mauser720 - Ron "These discs were dropped on most rifles around the time of the Winter War, as rifles that were captured gave too much information to the enemy. Some disks did survive but it is not common to locate rifles that still have these in place. It is most common to see such discs in M27 rifles. One might also see such a filled hole in areas of the stock where that could not have had a stock disc. In most cases this is a Finnish repair of stock damage. The repair is very common and almost looks like dark wood putty. "Did the Finns use stock discs post war? "Yes they did but again the use was not common. War era discs will be brass in look and color while the post war discs look like aluminum. In many cases these post war discs are artillery units the most common being 2.PSTO KAR PR. which is the 2nd Karelian Artillery Brigade these discs as far as I know being seen only on M39's. I have never seen a wartime M39 stock disc as it seems the Finns banned the use of these discs before M39 production got underway as a security measure. What is not known is why the practice was once again undertaken post war." http://mosinnagant.net/finland/finnfaq.asp __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

12-23-2007, 05:21 PM	#10
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is a picture. Attached Images

12-23-2007, 10:59 AM	#3
TzDreamer User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita Falls Texas USA Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron is correct about the disk! Weapons rarely leave with them still in place. Over the years I have seen 25 or 30 M1 Garands with the cut-out in the end of the pistol grip for them and not a single disk. It was a bit frustrating to see a perfect M1 (with a great matched cartouche stock) only to find a cut-out for a disk.

12-23-2007, 12:12 PM	#5
TzDreamer User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita Falls Texas USA Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice piece of quarter sawn oak as well!

12-23-2007, 01:21 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is the link to the recent ebay ad... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 You might want to email him to see if he could locate another for you... This one on eBay looked new/clean...wonder if they are newly made or period-correct ?

12-23-2007, 02:35 PM	#7
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fair enough on the double post. I originally posted it there, but then figured it may be better here. It's not a pure unit disk question, as it is more of a value question. So any ideas how much a unit disk original to the luger with a m39 from the same unit, disk also original to the m39, would go for? From best I can tell, if a unit disk is worth $225, and a Finn luger is worth $950, then it becomes a $1175. Same goes for a m39. If a m39 is worth $250 and it adds $225 or a unit disk then it's worth $475. So a combined value for the two is perhaps $1175+$475=$1650, which adds no bonus for them being a pair from the same unit. So maybe pad it by $100 to keep it as a pair, and make it $1750 for the couple? Sound right? Or am I way off?

12-23-2007, 02:51 PM	#8
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Btw ed, that's a beauty.

12-23-2007, 05:21 PM	#11
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And another of a different set. Attached Thumbnails

12-23-2007, 07:35 PM	#12
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	There is a guy in PA stamping out these disc's and larger other types with Waa stamps . Be CAREFUL . I have seen some of the examples. he has not yet quite figgered out how to age them. But give him some time . Im trying to get the name of the "Gent" no luck yet but will post if I do. The ones I have seen are excellent fakes. The one type Pete posted is one of them. There are other types as well.

12-23-2007, 11:08 PM	#13
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmm, the guy I'm dealing with is from PA....

12-23-2007, 11:26 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	The one on ebay I think is Juha, and he is trustworthy and a member of this forum. My disc came from him (Juha) and is of a school unit, which would not surprise me for still existing. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-24-2007, 02:13 AM	#15
neoinarien User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Different guy.

12-24-2007, 02:14 AM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	ahhh, thanks, will keep that in mind, Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV