1934-1935 mauser? Help and questions (good pic's of gun, holster & orginal bullets)..

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 03:34 PM

Hello all,
A brief history here before I start. My Grandfather (dead for several years) picked this gun up while, iirc, on a battle ship in ww2. He seemed to pick up a lot of items from broke sailors, but this is one of coolest. Now my Grandmother still has this luger and she wanted me to take it. I told her she should sell it as it may be worth some money and buy a new car! So several months back I signed onto the forum to lean more about lugers and try and access a value on this piece.

I think I have it narrowed down to a 1934-35 Mauser Military, but please by all means let me know if this is correct (btw great info on the home page!). What lead me to this was the S/42, the Ã¢??GÃ¢?Â on the breach/slider and the three bird proof. Also it seems rare for a gun to have matching magazines and holster ( I assume it belongs with this gun) oh and bullets. Where & who would I find a value with or if you have an idea please let it be known.

Thanks and hope you enjoy the pics!
Mike

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 03:36 PM

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 03:39 PM

some of the bullets are not original....

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 03:40 PM

waiting on the computer to finish uploading the rest....

Thanks again!
Mike

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 04:31 PM

Maybe a mod can move this to the military section (don't know why I posted this here).

Thanks,
Mike

John Sabato · 06-25-2008, 06:17 PM

Welcome to participation in the Lugerforum. You must have been lurking a long time according to your registrations date. This THREAD is Moved to the military P.08 forum.

Please upload your photos to the Lugerforum server (link at the top fo the page). Many can't see photos put on public storage websites because government organizations and many corporations filter out those sites. Also, those websites frequently reorganize their structure and the links you post will go dead, so future readers can't see the photos either.

I can't see your photos from where I am at the moment.

Aaron · 06-25-2008, 07:03 PM

A really nice G date police rig with a non-matching toggle! What a bummer!

Ron Smith · 06-25-2008, 07:14 PM

Arron,

Am I missing something? It sure looks like it's matching to me.

Large "S" / 42 with the last two digits of the SN.

Mike,

Only approx. 700 G date (1935) Lugers went to police procurement.

Your's is in exceptional condition, judging from the photos. It's difficult to place a value. Here's a link to one on Simpson's Ltd., that isn't in the best condition and doesn't have two matched magazines (big +).

Keep in mind that their pricing averages about 15-25% higher than what most collectors consider fair market value. However, with the condition of yours, it would be close.

The only draw back is that the holster is a Reichswehr (1919-1933) Army issue. The unit mark translates to 3rd Company/ 3rd Pioneer(Engineers) Battalion weapon # 71. However, it is in very nice condition.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...af638e6f0d559b

mpowers · 06-25-2008, 07:37 PM

Thanks John for the move, it will be tomorrow when I can upload more. I actually upload from work since my home broadband is just way too sloooow.

But I will refresh them using the forum!

Yes it took us a while to convince the Grandmother to let me find a value and maybe sell it for her.

So it's a police issue not military? And what does not match seemed like everything had the same numbers from what I recall.

GerColctor · 06-25-2008, 10:46 PM

Maybe I am missing something, this Luger doesn't have a sear or mag safety as far as I can see. Almost all police issued Lugers have sear safeties, but there are some exceptions.

A few G-Date Lugers with military acceptance marks were issued to the police, but they would have sear safeties.

The center part of the toggle (with the S/42) looks to have the number 67 in the photo. It may be your camera angle that makes the 8 look like a 6. This photo may have generated the comment concerning mismatched center toggle.

The holster is military style, which could be correct for this army proofed Luger, but it was probably issed with a later made holster. Based upon the 3 proofs E/63, this Luger was manufactured late in 1935.

Having two matching mags, outstanding.
Joe

alanint · 06-25-2008, 10:53 PM

What are the two extra holes in the flap for the take down tool sleeve?

They look purpose made but I have never seen anything like this before.

Ron Wood · 06-25-2008, 11:30 PM

There is only one extra hole and it is for a cleaning rod that passes through it and tucks into the pocket below the take down tool sleeve.

It isn't a police issue...Simpson's is but Mike's isn't.

Ron Smith · 06-25-2008, 11:44 PM

The sear saftey is not present, however the matching magazines are numbered 1 & 2 in the police fashion, as well as having the + found on spare military magazines. This would indicate to me that it was in police service at one time. And also responsible for my assumption that it was police issue. It is also in the "e" suffixed SN range.

Can anyone see the forward proof? Is it an E/L police acceptance.

Edward Tinker · 06-25-2008, 11:55 PM

nice gun, yes, I'd say it went into police service too with the two mathcing mags being 1 & 2.

If possible, post pictures here on this forum, they tend to stay longer than on photo blog sites.

ed

Ron Wood · 06-26-2008, 12:02 AM

Mea culpa...I didn't take the 1&2 mags into account...I never got past the "+" markings.

tharpo · 06-26-2008, 12:10 AM

It also appears that the magazines are stamped with two different style "e"s. Are the magazine bodies nickle or blued?

MFC · 06-26-2008, 12:17 AM

Mag #1 is an "e" suffix, #2+ is an 'l" suffix... probably started out with this gun, but really only one matching mag.
Very nice rig!!!
Mike C.

Aaron · 06-26-2008, 02:25 AM

My blunder! Just woke up from a nap and the toggle number looked like 43 when it was actually an 87 viewed upside down!

mpowers · 06-26-2008, 08:54 AM

Wow guys! Thanks for all the great information! So it is a Military issue that went into police service? Also see I need to look for a cleaning rod, I bet it's there but will be a few month before I can check it out again. And I also read one mag maybe a replacement...

Will be working on loading the photo's up on the forum later this morning, as of now they are hosted thru my shutterfly account.
Edit: I have to wait to upload as the forum does not like the file size of the photos and the "work" pc has no software to adjust the size, sorry

Really do appreciate the response!

Vlim · 06-26-2008, 01:17 PM

The 9mm para rounds were made by the Peters Cartridge Company, Cincinnati, OH, USA. They're not original German issue.

06-25-2008, 06:17 PM	#6
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06-25-2008, 07:14 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Arron, Am I missing something? It sure looks like it's matching to me. Large "S" / 42 with the last two digits of the SN. Mike, Only approx. 700 G date (1935) Lugers went to police procurement. Your's is in exceptional condition, judging from the photos. It's difficult to place a value. Here's a link to one on Simpson's Ltd., that isn't in the best condition and doesn't have two matched magazines (big +). Keep in mind that their pricing averages about 15-25% higher than what most collectors consider fair market value. However, with the condition of yours, it would be close. The only draw back is that the holster is a Reichswehr (1919-1933) Army issue. The unit mark translates to 3rd Company/ 3rd Pioneer(Engineers) Battalion weapon # 71. However, it is in very nice condition. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...af638e6f0d559b __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-25-2008, 10:46 PM	#10
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 312 Thanks: 2 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts	Maybe I am missing something, this Luger doesn't have a sear or mag safety as far as I can see. Almost all police issued Lugers have sear safeties, but there are some exceptions. A few G-Date Lugers with military acceptance marks were issued to the police, but they would have sear safeties. The center part of the toggle (with the S/42) looks to have the number 67 in the photo. It may be your camera angle that makes the 8 look like a 6. This photo may have generated the comment concerning mismatched center toggle. The holster is military style, which could be correct for this army proofed Luger, but it was probably issed with a later made holster. Based upon the 3 proofs E/63, this Luger was manufactured late in 1935. Having two matching mags, outstanding. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

06-25-2008, 11:30 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	There is only one extra hole and it is for a cleaning rod that passes through it and tucks into the pocket below the take down tool sleeve. It isn't a police issue...Simpson's is but Mike's isn't. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-25-2008, 11:44 PM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	The sear saftey is not present, however the matching magazines are numbered 1 & 2 in the police fashion, as well as having the + found on spare military magazines. This would indicate to me that it was in police service at one time. And also responsible for my assumption that it was police issue. It is also in the "e" suffixed SN range. Can anyone see the forward proof? Is it an E/L police acceptance. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-25-2008, 03:34 PM	#1
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1934-1935 mauser? Help and questions (good pic's of gun, holster & orginal bullets).. Hello all, A brief history here before I start. My Grandfather (dead for several years) picked this gun up while, iirc, on a battle ship in ww2. He seemed to pick up a lot of items from broke sailors, but this is one of coolest. Now my Grandmother still has this luger and she wanted me to take it. I told her she should sell it as it may be worth some money and buy a new car! So several months back I signed onto the forum to lean more about lugers and try and access a value on this piece. I think I have it narrowed down to a 1934-35 Mauser Military, but please by all means let me know if this is correct (btw great info on the home page!). What lead me to this was the S/42, the Ã¢??GÃ¢?Â on the breach/slider and the three bird proof. Also it seems rare for a gun to have matching magazines and holster ( I assume it belongs with this gun) oh and bullets. Where & who would I find a value with or if you have an idea please let it be known. Thanks and hope you enjoy the pics! Mike

06-25-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

06-25-2008, 03:39 PM	#3
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	some of the bullets are not original....

06-25-2008, 03:40 PM	#4
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	waiting on the computer to finish uploading the rest.... Thanks again! Mike

06-25-2008, 04:31 PM	#5
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe a mod can move this to the military section (don't know why I posted this here). Thanks, Mike

06-25-2008, 07:03 PM	#7
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	A really nice G date police rig with a non-matching toggle! What a bummer!

06-25-2008, 07:37 PM	#9
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks John for the move, it will be tomorrow when I can upload more. I actually upload from work since my home broadband is just way too sloooow. But I will refresh them using the forum! Yes it took us a while to convince the Grandmother to let me find a value and maybe sell it for her. So it's a police issue not military? And what does not match seemed like everything had the same numbers from what I recall.

06-25-2008, 10:53 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	What are the two extra holes in the flap for the take down tool sleeve? They look purpose made but I have never seen anything like this before.

06-25-2008, 11:55 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	nice gun, yes, I'd say it went into police service too with the two mathcing mags being 1 & 2. If possible, post pictures here on this forum, they tend to stay longer than on photo blog sites. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-26-2008, 12:02 AM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Mea culpa...I didn't take the 1&2 mags into account...I never got past the "+" markings. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-26-2008, 12:10 AM	#16
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	It also appears that the magazines are stamped with two different style "e"s. Are the magazine bodies nickle or blued?

06-26-2008, 12:17 AM	#17
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Mag #1 is an "e" suffix, #2+ is an 'l" suffix... probably started out with this gun, but really only one matching mag. Very nice rig!!! Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

06-26-2008, 02:25 AM	#18
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	My blunder! Just woke up from a nap and the toggle number looked like 43 when it was actually an 87 viewed upside down!

06-26-2008, 08:54 AM	#19
mpowers User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow guys! Thanks for all the great information! So it is a Military issue that went into police service? Also see I need to look for a cleaning rod, I bet it's there but will be a few month before I can check it out again. And I also read one mag maybe a replacement... Will be working on loading the photo's up on the forum later this morning, as of now they are hosted thru my shutterfly account. Edit: I have to wait to upload as the forum does not like the file size of the photos and the "work" pc has no software to adjust the size, sorry Really do appreciate the response!

06-26-2008, 01:17 PM	#20
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The 9mm para rounds were made by the Peters Cartridge Company, Cincinnati, OH, USA. They're not original German issue.