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12-13-2018, 12:08 PM | #1 |
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Navy Marks?
Are these legit Navy marks on a luger (W.K 10425) and HKO MÜNCHEN 18 holster (S.A.R.312)?
I see no Navy crown/M marks on the gun. Instead, there is a vertical N/crown on receiver, and no date on the top of chamber, suggesting it is a commercial luger. But the receiver does have the 1916 date. Could it be a commercial luger reworked for the Navy or Weimar period? Last edited by Pistol; 12-14-2018 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Sar instead of SAB |
12-13-2018, 02:46 PM | #2 |
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May we see some more photos of the gun and holster? Does the gun have a 6" barrel and Navy rear sight?
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12-14-2018, 09:10 AM | #3 |
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This is best I could get from the seller. No navy rear sight and it has a 4 inch barrel.
Now looking at it, I think it is a 1916 Navy frame with a mismatched commercial top, and a replacement barrel. The barrel has no numbers but does have whay appears to be a WWII mauser proof 855? One wood bottom mag has X after the serial number. Also, a new serial number was etched in near the commercial C/N proof, apparently to match the toggle train. They etched in the last 2 digits of the toggle on the top of the extractor. Any value in the frame, holster and mag? |
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12-14-2018, 09:37 AM | #5 |
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Hi Joe,
I think your diagnosis is correct. Has the holster been shortened to P08 length? Norm |
12-14-2018, 10:22 AM | #6 |
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Yes...and the mag pouch looks wider
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12-14-2018, 10:38 AM | #7 |
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That's too bad, I've never seen an HKO holster, only pouches.
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12-14-2018, 10:51 AM | #8 |
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Yes shortened for 4-inch and mag pouch looks wider than normal.
Has a B.A. X stamp and the German words Wasch or Wazch Musik, which translates to washing music, or watch music? Seems odd, but I read that Schrage Musik was the name Germans gave to upward firing autocannon that were mounted to night fighter aircraft in WWII. |
12-15-2018, 04:38 PM | #9 |
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Wow, 97 bids and over $2K. I guess someone thought it was legit.
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12-15-2018, 06:07 PM | #10 |
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Somebody may be in for some heartburn too...
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12-15-2018, 07:46 PM | #11 |
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Too bad, a correct unit marked 1916 is a very rare bird.
Like Norm, I've never seen an HKO holster, only pouches. Navy Frame, commercial receiver, Weimar or 3rd Reich era rework. IAW, a FrankenLuger.
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I believe the luger(at least the receiver) is a "Russian Capture"; see the electro pencil number on the left chamber- faint but there.
So a "East-Franken " luger. I'd like to have the frame though, to go with my 1916 navy receiver ; but I don't see the $2k anywhere in that rig.
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