American Eagle

pipeman45 · 01-02-2007, 02:01 AM

What do you think of this one?
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...on....C&R%20OK!![URL=http://

Ron Wood · 01-02-2007, 03:07 AM

Looks like a decent original '06 Eagle. The front sight is a replacement.

pipeman45 · 01-02-2007, 03:14 AM

Thats what I thought.
Does that look like an old refinished to you?
About how much should this pistol sell for?

c3006 · 01-02-2007, 08:29 AM

I think the blue is original and the front sight as been calibrated with a file. I will leave value to the experts. clint

Ron Wood · 01-02-2007, 12:01 PM

When I said it was "original", I meant that it has not been re-blued.

Pete Ebbink · 01-02-2007, 12:26 PM

Hi Ron,

It look original to me as well...but then I see the "Germany" is not halo'd and possibly worn.

Barrel markings do have halos and pin through the toggle is white and the polished thumb safety area looks good.

Might it have some touch-ups here and there ?

Also...might this be a chip in the metal of some sort ?

Conny · 01-02-2007, 12:44 PM

He added new photos showing the AE I asked to see. If I understand correctly, that is an early, long frame?

Pete Ebbink · 01-02-2007, 12:52 PM

Duane,

Looks more like a Type IV frame type (per the Ron Wood categories) :

Here is the frame-type tutorial Ron Wood prepared some time ago :

Conny · 01-02-2007, 01:11 PM

Thank you Pete. I studied those before and thought I had the differences memorized but, shoot, chaulk up a bolo on that one. Combination CRS and Oltimerz desease.

If the sight is incorrect, the Germany incorrect, possible chipped metal, what would the value be? I have given thought to bidding on it but it has to many flaws that I would never have known. Glad I waited.

Ron Wood · 01-02-2007, 01:21 PM

I have a BUG proofed '06 AE that is one of the most minty Lugers I own. It is #48710, Type V frame. The barrel markings have a halo but the GERMANY does not. However, it is possible that the front of the frame on this piece (#45650) may have had some touch up...I don't think so but it is hard to tell due to the angle and glare of the photo. Given the overall condition of the gun, this to me is inconsequential.

pipeman45 · 01-02-2007, 03:39 PM

Thanks guys. I posted this so I could pick you brains and learn a little more about these fine old pistols.Books are good, but you fellows are great.You have exceeded my expectations.

Pete Ebbink · 01-02-2007, 04:03 PM

Duane,

The wrong sight on the barrel is an easy thing to fix. Stefan Mahrer in Switzerland sells the "right" sight blade for the 4-3/4" pencil barrel and you see them on eBay and eGun all the time.

Ron Wood has seen lots more lugers that I. If the "Germany" stamping is documented to be done both before or after bluing, then this may not be an issue. I have seen about 25 or so "Germany" stamped lugers in person and those all had some "halo" effect around the stamping.

I would certainly ask for more photos of what looks like the "chip" out of the metal along the right side of rear of the receiver. It may or may not be anything...

But since I shoot every luger I buy, I would certainly want to know about what appears to be a "chip". If it is a "chip", I am not sure how safe it would be to shoot...

If there is no "chip"...and I were after this one, I think my maximum bid would be $ 1650 or so...but my wife says I am cheap...

Conny · 01-02-2007, 04:39 PM

Thank you again Pete. Unfortunately, I'm cheaper. I've been emailing him for a few days and was going to offer $1,300.00 If the bidding doesn't reach what he wants, he may take it. Who knows, I may luck out. I think I may pass on this one while watching how high the bidding goes. This luger is also on Gunbroker and I believe it is relisted.

ken d · 01-02-2007, 05:09 PM

I think there is no chip, but a continuation of the ejector cut.

Regards Ken D

01-02-2007, 02:01 AM	#1
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	American Eagle What do you think of this one? http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...on....C&R%20OK!![URL=http://

01-02-2007, 03:07 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,177 Times in 1,702 Posts	Looks like a decent original '06 Eagle. The front sight is a replacement. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2007, 03:14 AM	#3
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thats what I thought. Does that look like an old refinished to you? About how much should this pistol sell for? __________________ Dave

01-02-2007, 12:01 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,177 Times in 1,702 Posts	When I said it was "original", I meant that it has not been re-blued. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2007, 12:44 PM	#7
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	He added new photos showing the AE I asked to see. If I understand correctly, that is an early, long frame? __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-02-2007, 08:29 AM	#4
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	I think the blue is original and the front sight as been calibrated with a file. I will leave value to the experts. clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

01-02-2007, 12:26 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Ron, It look original to me as well...but then I see the "Germany" is not halo'd and possibly worn. Barrel markings do have halos and pin through the toggle is white and the polished thumb safety area looks good. Might it have some touch-ups here and there ? Also...might this be a chip in the metal of some sort ?

01-02-2007, 12:52 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Duane, Looks more like a Type IV frame type (per the Ron Wood categories) : Here is the frame-type tutorial Ron Wood prepared some time ago :

01-02-2007, 01:11 PM	#9
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Thank you Pete. I studied those before and thought I had the differences memorized but, shoot, chaulk up a bolo on that one. Combination CRS and Oltimerz desease. If the sight is incorrect, the Germany incorrect, possible chipped metal, what would the value be? I have given thought to bidding on it but it has to many flaws that I would never have known. Glad I waited. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-02-2007, 01:21 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,177 Times in 1,702 Posts	I have a BUG proofed '06 AE that is one of the most minty Lugers I own. It is #48710, Type V frame. The barrel markings have a halo but the GERMANY does not. However, it is possible that the front of the frame on this piece (#45650) may have had some touch up...I don't think so but it is hard to tell due to the angle and glare of the photo. Given the overall condition of the gun, this to me is inconsequential. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2007, 03:39 PM	#11
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks guys. I posted this so I could pick you brains and learn a little more about these fine old pistols.Books are good, but you fellows are great.You have exceeded my expectations. __________________ Dave

01-02-2007, 04:03 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Duane, The wrong sight on the barrel is an easy thing to fix. Stefan Mahrer in Switzerland sells the "right" sight blade for the 4-3/4" pencil barrel and you see them on eBay and eGun all the time. Ron Wood has seen lots more lugers that I. If the "Germany" stamping is documented to be done both before or after bluing, then this may not be an issue. I have seen about 25 or so "Germany" stamped lugers in person and those all had some "halo" effect around the stamping. I would certainly ask for more photos of what looks like the "chip" out of the metal along the right side of rear of the receiver. It may or may not be anything... But since I shoot every luger I buy, I would certainly want to know about what appears to be a "chip". If it is a "chip", I am not sure how safe it would be to shoot... If there is no "chip"...and I were after this one, I think my maximum bid would be $ 1650 or so...but my wife says I am cheap...

01-02-2007, 04:39 PM	#13
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Thank you again Pete. Unfortunately, I'm cheaper. I've been emailing him for a few days and was going to offer $1,300.00 If the bidding doesn't reach what he wants, he may take it. Who knows, I may luck out. I think I may pass on this one while watching how high the bidding goes. This luger is also on Gunbroker and I believe it is relisted. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-02-2007, 05:09 PM	#14
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	I think there is no chip, but a continuation of the ejector cut. Regards Ken D