1915 DWM P-08...?

Pete Ebbink · 07-31-2003, 04:44 AM

Noticed this 1915 DWM P-08 has an Erfurt proofed breechblock....

Is this correct ?

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4719493

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Lyn Islaub · 08-16-2003, 05:06 PM

Pete,
Curious comment. The proofs on the right side breech of this piece are very clearly 1915 DWM as pictured on page 289, #77 in Costanzo, as is the eagle on the forward toggle link. Why do you believe these proofs to be Erfurt?
Thx, Lyn

Thor · 08-16-2003, 06:28 PM

This K date from the same place has no S on the sideplate or many of the small parts. I think Pete is talking about the proof on the left side of the breech block shown in the bottom picture of the 1915 ad.K date ad

Doubs · 08-16-2003, 06:34 PM

Lyn, unless my eyes are deceiving me (possible at my age) the eagle on the breechblock is not as shown in Costanzo, Pg 289, #77 but is like the ones on the upper part of the page which are identified as Erfurt.

While I have absolutely NO compiled evidence to support it, I'm beginning to believe that some parts may have been supplied to DWM by Erfurt as evidenced by the Erfurt Eagles found on DWM Artillery barrels and breechblocks. If no Erfurt Lugers were made in 1915 and they had parts that DWM could use, it makes sense to me that the parts would have been shipped to DWM for use in their production. Just as modern-day manufacturers share parts, why wouldn't the government arsenal at Erfurt share parts to complete a government contract with DWM?

This is just an unsubstantiated theory of mine but it would be nice if anyone who has an Imperial DWM Luger would check to see if any has an Erfurt Eagle proof anywhere on it. You can e-mail the information to: doubs43@earthlink.net and I'll compile the information. I could be all wet on this but I'd like to find out.

Lyn Islaub · 08-17-2003, 12:32 AM

All,
I guess, in this case, I have the advantage, because I bought this piece and am able to examine it up close and personal. The proofs are definately DWM, although the one on the front toggle link is faint enough that the pictures in the auction could have confused anyone. It is a very clean 1915 with almost "0" grip strap wear, no pitting and about a 5% overall loss of blue on the high points. Originally, I was negotiating with these folks for the purchase of a 41 chamber date, Code 42 until they told me that the alpha suffix was an "x". Seems that someone built it up using a byf 41 frame and a Code 42 toggle with the correct serial number. The 1915 was an afterthought that I'm glad I pursued, because it fit a hole in my Imperials.
Lyn

07-31-2003, 04:44 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	1915 DWM P-08...? Noticed this 1915 DWM P-08 has an Erfurt proofed breechblock.... Is this correct ? http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=4719493 Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-16-2003, 06:28 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	This K date from the same place has no S on the sideplate or many of the small parts. I think Pete is talking about the proof on the left side of the breech block shown in the bottom picture of the 1915 ad.K date ad __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-16-2003, 05:06 PM	#2
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Pete, Curious comment. The proofs on the right side breech of this piece are very clearly 1915 DWM as pictured on page 289, #77 in Costanzo, as is the eagle on the forward toggle link. Why do you believe these proofs to be Erfurt? Thx, Lyn

08-16-2003, 06:34 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,695 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,677 Times in 551 Posts	Lyn, unless my eyes are deceiving me (possible at my age) the eagle on the breechblock is not as shown in Costanzo, Pg 289, #77 but is like the ones on the upper part of the page which are identified as Erfurt. While I have absolutely NO compiled evidence to support it, I'm beginning to believe that some parts may have been supplied to DWM by Erfurt as evidenced by the Erfurt Eagles found on DWM Artillery barrels and breechblocks. If no Erfurt Lugers were made in 1915 and they had parts that DWM could use, it makes sense to me that the parts would have been shipped to DWM for use in their production. Just as modern-day manufacturers share parts, why wouldn't the government arsenal at Erfurt share parts to complete a government contract with DWM? This is just an unsubstantiated theory of mine but it would be nice if anyone who has an Imperial DWM Luger would check to see if any has an Erfurt Eagle proof anywhere on it. You can e-mail the information to: doubs43@earthlink.net and I'll compile the information. I could be all wet on this but I'd like to find out.

08-17-2003, 12:32 AM	#5
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	All, I guess, in this case, I have the advantage, because I bought this piece and am able to examine it up close and personal. The proofs are definately DWM, although the one on the front toggle link is faint enough that the pictures in the auction could have confused anyone. It is a very clean 1915 with almost "0" grip strap wear, no pitting and about a 5% overall loss of blue on the high points. Originally, I was negotiating with these folks for the purchase of a 41 chamber date, Code 42 until they told me that the alpha suffix was an "x". Seems that someone built it up using a byf 41 frame and a Code 42 toggle with the correct serial number. The 1915 was an afterthought that I'm glad I pursued, because it fit a hole in my Imperials. Lyn