OK, how about some help here?

DavidJayUden · 05-31-2012, 10:44 PM

I noticed this one on E-bay, but am confused. Stamped 1934 AND P38. What gives?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...AMOTORS%3A1123
dju

mrerick · 05-31-2012, 10:57 PM

Made in Pakistan? Perhaps the day we found Bin Laden? (It appears not...)

alanint · 06-01-2012, 07:03 AM

Everything about the holster looks right, but the P38 stamp is a total mystery. The P38 was still being designed in 1934

hansfischer007 · 06-01-2012, 10:11 AM

Im curious as to what year the P-38 was finally issued.?....I had originally thought it wasn't until around 1942......but then Ive seen some ads on Gunbrokers...etc...for 1941 era P-38s...and have been thinking of picking up a 1941 P-38 after I get thru my search for a good DWM 1918......anyway...what is the consensus on the issue date of the P-38.?..

Lugerdoc · 06-01-2012, 12:57 PM

The first "P38s" (actually commerically designated the HP until German military acceptance in 1940) were shipped to Sweden in 1939. TH

DavidJayUden · 06-01-2012, 01:08 PM

So, getting back to the holster. A complete fake? Maybe re-worked and re-issued for a P38? Maybe the seller photo'ed 2 holsters by mistake?
dju

Hugo Borchardt · 06-01-2012, 01:09 PM

Do my eyes deceive me/optical illusion, or does the magazine pouch appear to be P38 size. See below: First photo is back of this holster; second photo is another Luger holster. In another auction photo, it does seem to show the cutouts for the luger mag base at the top of the mag pouch.

I posted it on the P38 forum for comments. Sorry for drawing attention to it if it is some super rare holster. Proof of Nazi time travel!

Patronen · 06-01-2012, 03:14 PM

I am far, far from knowledgable on holsters but from an observation from reading 3rd Reich Lugers around page 110-111 and an example shown on p.124, it makes mention of ALL holsters in 1934 and some of 35 to have an extra flap over the takedown tool for a patches and a cleaning rod. The example being discussed with the P38 stamp doesn't appear to show that from what I am seeing.

mrerick · 06-01-2012, 07:24 PM

Searching around the web, other pictures of 1934 holsters from the same manufacturer had the cleaning rod "slot" and flap.

Hugo Borchardt · 06-01-2012, 07:31 PM

From Greg "Steve Papp" on P38 Forum:

"I looked at that auction and if you zoom on the pic you can see it is a pic from a totally different holster and I believe it says cxb 42. The mag pouch lengths are obviously(to me anyway) different if you look closely. With that said I think both are legit holsters as I have yet to see a holster that has replicated that goofy 2 that looks more like a question mark on cxb 42's! Maybe the seller forgot to get a pic of the back of the luger holster and used the p38 holster or maybe they simply mixed up the pictures?"

Clark

Ron Wood · 06-01-2012, 08:50 PM

Clark,
I had the thought that the ad might have photos from two different holsters. Glad Greg adds credibility to that notion. I was hesitant to make that call because I freely admit I know very little about WWII stuff. (made after 1918 you know

)

lugerholsterrepair · 06-01-2012, 09:24 PM

Clark, From Greg "Steve Papp" on P38 Forum:

Greg is right on the money. The cut/shape of the back, the way the front lid comes way down, no stitching at the right bottom of the left belt loop..deffinately an original P-38 holster and does not belong to the 1934!

Guy just got mixed up..

05-31-2012, 10:44 PM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	OK, how about some help here? I noticed this one on E-bay, but am confused. Stamped 1934 AND P38. What gives? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...AMOTORS%3A1123 dju

05-31-2012, 10:57 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Made in Pakistan? Perhaps the day we found Bin Laden? (It appears not...) __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-01-2012, 10:11 AM	#4
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	P-38 Im curious as to what year the P-38 was finally issued.?....I had originally thought it wasn't until around 1942......but then Ive seen some ads on Gunbrokers...etc...for 1941 era P-38s...and have been thinking of picking up a 1941 P-38 after I get thru my search for a good DWM 1918......anyway...what is the consensus on the issue date of the P-38.?..

06-01-2012, 12:57 PM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The first "P38s" (actually commerically designated the HP until German military acceptance in 1940) were shipped to Sweden in 1939. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-01-2012, 01:09 PM	#7
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Do my eyes deceive me/optical illusion, or does the magazine pouch appear to be P38 size. See below: First photo is back of this holster; second photo is another Luger holster. In another auction photo, it does seem to show the cutouts for the luger mag base at the top of the mag pouch. I posted it on the P38 forum for comments. Sorry for drawing attention to it if it is some super rare holster. Proof of Nazi time travel! Attached Thumbnails __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm Last edited by Hugo Borchardt; 06-01-2012 at 05:23 PM.

06-01-2012, 07:03 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Everything about the holster looks right, but the P38 stamp is a total mystery. The P38 was still being designed in 1934

06-01-2012, 01:08 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So, getting back to the holster. A complete fake? Maybe re-worked and re-issued for a P38? Maybe the seller photo'ed 2 holsters by mistake? dju

06-01-2012, 03:14 PM	#8
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	I am far, far from knowledgable on holsters but from an observation from reading 3rd Reich Lugers around page 110-111 and an example shown on p.124, it makes mention of ALL holsters in 1934 and some of 35 to have an extra flap over the takedown tool for a patches and a cleaning rod. The example being discussed with the P38 stamp doesn't appear to show that from what I am seeing. __________________ Dave

06-01-2012, 07:24 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Searching around the web, other pictures of 1934 holsters from the same manufacturer had the cleaning rod "slot" and flap. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-01-2012, 07:31 PM	#10
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	From Greg "Steve Papp" on P38 Forum: "I looked at that auction and if you zoom on the pic you can see it is a pic from a totally different holster and I believe it says cxb 42. The mag pouch lengths are obviously(to me anyway) different if you look closely. With that said I think both are legit holsters as I have yet to see a holster that has replicated that goofy 2 that looks more like a question mark on cxb 42's! Maybe the seller forgot to get a pic of the back of the luger holster and used the p38 holster or maybe they simply mixed up the pictures?" Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

06-01-2012, 08:50 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Clark, I had the thought that the ad might have photos from two different holsters. Glad Greg adds credibility to that notion. I was hesitant to make that call because I freely admit I know very little about WWII stuff. (made after 1918 you know ) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-01-2012, 09:24 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,925 Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,434 Posts	Clark, From Greg "Steve Papp" on P38 Forum: Greg is right on the money. The cut/shape of the back, the way the front lid comes way down, no stitching at the right bottom of the left belt loop..deffinately an original P-38 holster and does not belong to the 1934! Guy just got mixed up.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."