wild cat 7,65x19

ESKO · 05-09-2001, 03:55 AM

has any one necked 9mm (9x19) case to 7,65.

Here in finland we do have endles supply of 9MM case

7,65 luger case is a rarity.

I`m gouing to do this, if somebody does have

experience please tell me.

DAVID · 05-09-2001, 06:00 AM

I have no first hand knowledge on this but I believe that the 7.65 case is longer than the 9 x 19 case and you would need to start with something like the 9mm Bayard or 9 x 23 and form the case to 7.65 and then trim to get the proper finished length. My 2 cents. David. any experts out there.

Ted · 05-09-2001, 08:29 AM

David and Rick are right! The 9mm was purposes shorten so that the overall lengths would be the same to work in the mechanism, mag, etc. Lots of times a shorter cartridge will cause jamming. Good luck! And if you do this make sure you get the right expander plug, some of the 30 Lugers (RCBS and LEE) came with a setup for a .310" bullet and the available Hornady bullets are .308" and bullet setback was a problem, Lee came to my rescue and got me the right expander plug, and now I am in business. RCBS just ignored me! Ted

Dok · 05-09-2001, 08:53 AM

John D. · 05-09-2001, 09:22 AM

Hi Rick....

Now, let's see - you want to know how to write and author concise notes, huh??? Well, you've come to the absolute expert on this subject, I assure you....

Now - let's say I was writing your "wild cat" post above - my "edited version" would have read something like this....

"Hi Esko,

I too have looked for alternatives for the 30 Luger brass. Haven't found a good one yet. I'll keep you posted if I do. In the meantime - Hugh has some good bullets."

Now - see the difference? While mine was "concise" - frankly - yours was a WHOLE LOT more interesting to read. Some might argue that your original post was even more informative then my edited version. So don't trade "content" for "conciseness" - I never do - just ask Frank..!!!!??? Heh, heh, heh.....

(BTW: Never take anything I write in jest seriously. It is hard enough to take ANYTHING I write seriously. I never take me seriously. Seriously.)

Frank · 05-09-2001, 11:01 AM

I've been trying to get him to be less wordy for a long time.

John D. · 05-09-2001, 11:07 AM

Dok · 05-09-2001, 12:01 PM

ESKO · 05-09-2001, 10:55 PM

I SHORTENED RCBS 7,65 PARABELLUM DIES 2,8mm

(IN FINLAND WE SAY PARABELLUM) DIES DO MAKE NICE SHORT

7,65x19 CASE. MY GUN SMITH IS MAYKING A NEW BARREL 6"

USING THESE CASES AS A HEAD PACE GAUGE (PIESE OF 308

RIFLE BARREL)WE WIIL REAM FREE BORE SO THAT LENGHT

FROM BEGINING OF FREE BORE TO BOTTOM OF CASE IS SAME AS

ORIGINAL 7,65 PARABELLUM.

LOADING WILL BE WITH LEE 100 GRAIN CAST BULLET

LOAD LENGHT 29mm

ORIGINAL CASE 9mm CONVERTED TO 7,65x19

STANDARD SMALL PISTOL PRIMER

POWDER VIHTAVUORI N340 (ON NORMAL CASE I`M USING 4,7GR

WITH 100 GR BULLET)

I WILL TEST THE AMOUNT OF POWDER TO GET THE AMOUNT

THAT WORKS NO MORE.

I HOPE THAT I CAN GET WORKING SUBSTITUDE

CASE THAT IS INEXPENSIWE.

YESTERDAY PRICE FOR FIOCCI 7,65 PARABELLUM CARTEIDGES

WAS 3 FIM = 0,5 USD

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE

G.T. · 05-10-2001, 08:34 AM

John, You could have been even more concise! "Use Lee dies and a big Hammer", (same hammer!)"brass not important, bullets available"! till....later...G.T.

G.T. · 05-10-2001, 08:48 AM

Hi esko! Sounds like a very interesting project, I think everyone here is quite anxious to see how your Luger wildcat feeds and functions! Also it will be interesting to see if any potential high pressures signs result from your loadings? (as in, searching for enough energy to cycle the toggle) perhaps you can shim the rear spine of the mag. setting the cartridge further ahead to reduce the risk of feeding malfunctions and to reduce the distance the breech block has to travel for function! All in all, I think it is one of the more interesting luger modifications I have ever heard of! Good luck! till...later.....G.T.

Thor · 05-10-2001, 09:25 AM

GT, this project does seem to have some merit, many thousands of 9mm cases out there! 30 Luger is expensive. Perhaps a longer/heavier bullet would make the functioning problem go away, it would be longer so the overall length could be the same, the heavier bullet might increase recoil affect. A cast bullet sized at .310" would seem idea, perhaps a 100-110 grain loading. Ted

05-09-2001, 03:55 AM	#1
ESKO User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: helsinki Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wild cat 7,65x19 has any one necked 9mm (9x19) case to 7,65. Here in finland we do have endles supply of 9MM case 7,65 luger case is a rarity. I`m gouing to do this, if somebody does have experience please tell me.

05-09-2001, 06:00 AM	#2
DAVID User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Debary, FL. Posts: 129 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: wild cat 7,65x19 I have no first hand knowledge on this but I believe that the 7.65 case is longer than the 9 x 19 case and you would need to start with something like the 9mm Bayard or 9 x 23 and form the case to 7.65 and then trim to get the proper finished length. My 2 cents. David. any experts out there.

05-09-2001, 08:29 AM	#3
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: wild cat 7,65x19 David and Rick are right! The 9mm was purposes shorten so that the overall lengths would be the same to work in the mechanism, mag, etc. Lots of times a shorter cartridge will cause jamming. Good luck! And if you do this make sure you get the right expander plug, some of the 30 Lugers (RCBS and LEE) came with a setup for a .310" bullet and the available Hornady bullets are .308" and bullet setback was a problem, Lee came to my rescue and got me the right expander plug, and now I am in business. RCBS just ignored me! Ted

05-09-2001, 08:53 AM	#4
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Quite a posting... I'm impressed! (EOM)

05-09-2001, 09:22 AM	#5
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Hmmm - "More Concise..." Hi Rick.... Now, let's see - you want to know how to write and author concise notes, huh??? Well, you've come to the absolute expert on this subject, I assure you.... Now - let's say I was writing your "wild cat" post above - my "edited version" would have read something like this.... "Hi Esko, I too have looked for alternatives for the 30 Luger brass. Haven't found a good one yet. I'll keep you posted if I do. In the meantime - Hugh has some good bullets." Now - see the difference? While mine was "concise" - frankly - yours was a WHOLE LOT more interesting to read. Some might argue that your original post was even more informative then my edited version. So don't trade "content" for "conciseness" - I never do - just ask Frank..!!!!??? Heh, heh, heh..... (BTW: Never take anything I write in jest seriously. It is hard enough to take ANYTHING I write seriously. I never take me seriously. Seriously.)

05-09-2001, 11:01 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Rick W. Good Luck !!! I've been trying to get him to be less wordy for a long time.

05-09-2001, 11:07 AM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Cute... (EOM)

05-09-2001, 12:01 PM	#8
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	That's our Frank... Cute! (EOM)

05-09-2001, 10:55 PM	#9
ESKO User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: helsinki Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: wild cat 7,65x19 I SHORTENED RCBS 7,65 PARABELLUM DIES 2,8mm (IN FINLAND WE SAY PARABELLUM) DIES DO MAKE NICE SHORT 7,65x19 CASE. MY GUN SMITH IS MAYKING A NEW BARREL 6" USING THESE CASES AS A HEAD PACE GAUGE (PIESE OF 308 RIFLE BARREL)WE WIIL REAM FREE BORE SO THAT LENGHT FROM BEGINING OF FREE BORE TO BOTTOM OF CASE IS SAME AS ORIGINAL 7,65 PARABELLUM. LOADING WILL BE WITH LEE 100 GRAIN CAST BULLET LOAD LENGHT 29mm ORIGINAL CASE 9mm CONVERTED TO 7,65x19 STANDARD SMALL PISTOL PRIMER POWDER VIHTAVUORI N340 (ON NORMAL CASE I`M USING 4,7GR WITH 100 GR BULLET) I WILL TEST THE AMOUNT OF POWDER TO GET THE AMOUNT THAT WORKS NO MORE. I HOPE THAT I CAN GET WORKING SUBSTITUDE CASE THAT IS INEXPENSIWE. YESTERDAY PRICE FOR FIOCCI 7,65 PARABELLUM CARTEIDGES WAS 3 FIM = 0,5 USD TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE

05-10-2001, 08:34 AM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Re: Hmmm - "Even More Concise..." John, You could have been even more concise! "Use Lee dies and a big Hammer", (same hammer!)"brass not important, bullets available"! till....later...G.T.

05-10-2001, 08:48 AM	#11
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Re: wild cat 7,65x19 Hi esko! Sounds like a very interesting project, I think everyone here is quite anxious to see how your Luger wildcat feeds and functions! Also it will be interesting to see if any potential high pressures signs result from your loadings? (as in, searching for enough energy to cycle the toggle) perhaps you can shim the rear spine of the mag. setting the cartridge further ahead to reduce the risk of feeding malfunctions and to reduce the distance the breech block has to travel for function! All in all, I think it is one of the more interesting luger modifications I have ever heard of! Good luck! till...later.....G.T.

05-10-2001, 09:25 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: wild cat 7,65x19 GT, this project does seem to have some merit, many thousands of 9mm cases out there! 30 Luger is expensive. Perhaps a longer/heavier bullet would make the functioning problem go away, it would be longer so the overall length could be the same, the heavier bullet might increase recoil affect. A cast bullet sized at .310" would seem idea, perhaps a 100-110 grain loading. Ted