Single shot armadillo gun

Ron Wood · 06-29-2002, 02:57 AM

I know it is an old, dumb joke, but a little fun now and then helps. With sincerest apologies to Joe for defacing his beautiful Luger pic. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 06-29-2002, 03:22 AM

Ron it is just hard on the wrist pointing it in the "other" direction, [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Freischütz · 06-29-2002, 10:56 PM

If this pistol was not locked breech, would it be considered a blowback or blowforward design?

wterrell · 06-29-2002, 11:00 PM

It would appear to be a blow-away design <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

Ron, that is absolutely amusing!

ViggoG · 06-30-2002, 12:45 AM

Ron, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
I was of the opinion that this variation was first developed by the DWM for distribution to the various Polish Resistance Groups to have for Target Practice, And were equiped by the Polacks with a small mirror that attached in the Frame Rear Strap Loop for watching your rear.
I started to purchase one just before the "Old Forum" Deceased! [img]redface.gif[/img]
Now I'm stuck with two VERY RARE MIRRORS AND HAVE NO NEED FOR THEM! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
ViggoG

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 01:17 AM

OK, now for some more fun. Aside from the obvious changes there is one subtle change that will not be found on any Luger. The title of "Hawkeye" goes to the first person to figure it out.

ViggoG · 06-30-2002, 03:07 AM

<img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />
Ron, [img]confused.gif[/img]
Could it be that no one has made any change to the Grip Screws, The one non german design(British, Whitworth Threads)?
<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
ViggoG

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 03:10 AM

Hadn't thought of that one..but no, it is something visible in the photo.

ViggoG · 06-30-2002, 04:18 AM

<img src="graemlins/r.gif" border="0" alt="[king]" /> <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
Ron,
you sneaky snake, you filled the Locking bolt and Locking bolt spring HOLES!!! <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> and relabled the safety to read from top down, instead of from bottom up !!!, and you have swapped the Safety from the Port Side of the Cannon Assembly to the Starboard side. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />
[img]tongue.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> [img]tongue.gif[/img]
ViggoG <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />

Hugh · 06-30-2002, 09:59 AM

Now I suppose Ted will be wanting a BABY "Polish One Shot Armadillo Gun"! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 11:23 AM

Bravo! I dub thee Sir Viggo, first Knight of the Order of the Hawkeye <img src="graemlins/r.gif" border="0" alt="[king]" /> ! (That thread on the Prince's Luger must have gotten to me <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> ) I was actually looking for the Gesichert answer, the rest of the changes were simply the result of having to mirror image the cannon assembly to get it pointing in the wrong direction.

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 11:37 AM

Hugh,
Do you mean one like this?

Thor · 06-30-2002, 11:48 AM

Ron, I am heartened to see you guys have such a good sense of humor!!! I think that is a "one shot"(at least one per owner) Luger.

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 12:10 PM

Ted, You got it, one shot and it becomes available for the next owner! I apologized to Joe for messing up his Luger pic, and I owe you an apology also. But thanks for posting such a nice picture that I could play with. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

wterrell · 06-30-2002, 01:10 PM

What is the need for a "clip" in this particular model of the Luger (or is the clip capacity merely "one" round)? And were they supplied to the enemy?

Ron, surely the original of this model was a Borchardt, and it would be marvelous if you could find a von Papen version!

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 01:45 PM

Wes, The clip is full capacity, but if you can get off more than one shot, you are either one lousy marksman or one heck of a better man than I am! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Doubs · 06-30-2002, 02:32 PM

WOW! Are you guys a serious disappointment! Do none of you recognize two fine examples of the elusive Imperial Japanese Joint Army/Navy Contract Luger? Extremely RARE examples as most now rest at the bottom of the ocean.

These pistols were issued ONLY to Kamakazee pilots for use in the event that they were shot down and survived. It was their final chance to succeed in their mission should they find themselves in imminent danger of capture. The two examples illustrated in this thread may be the only surviving guns from the contract and are obviously unissued.... hence, the superb condition of both.

There's also an unsubstanciated rumor among advanced collectors that these may have been presentation model Kamakazee pistols, presented to pilots who completed five successful missions. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

06-29-2002, 02:57 AM	#1
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Single shot armadillo gun I know it is an old, dumb joke, but a little fun now and then helps. With sincerest apologies to Joe for defacing his beautiful Luger pic. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-29-2002, 03:22 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Ron it is just hard on the wrist pointing it in the "other" direction, [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-29-2002, 11:00 PM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It would appear to be a blow-away design <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" /> Ron, that is absolutely amusing! __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

06-30-2002, 01:17 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	OK, now for some more fun. Aside from the obvious changes there is one subtle change that will not be found on any Luger. The title of "Hawkeye" goes to the first person to figure it out. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2002, 03:10 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Hadn't thought of that one..but no, it is something visible in the photo. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-29-2002, 10:56 PM	#3
Freischütz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 125 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts	If this pistol was not locked breech, would it be considered a blowback or blowforward design?

06-30-2002, 12:45 AM	#5
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> I was of the opinion that this variation was first developed by the DWM for distribution to the various Polish Resistance Groups to have for Target Practice, And were equiped by the Polacks with a small mirror that attached in the Frame Rear Strap Loop for watching your rear. I started to purchase one just before the "Old Forum" Deceased! [img]redface.gif[/img] Now I'm stuck with two VERY RARE MIRRORS AND HAVE NO NEED FOR THEM! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> ViggoG

06-30-2002, 03:07 AM	#7
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	<img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" /> Ron, [img]confused.gif[/img] Could it be that no one has made any change to the Grip Screws, The one non german design(British, Whitworth Threads)? <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ViggoG

06-30-2002, 04:18 AM	#9
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	<img src="graemlins/r.gif" border="0" alt="[king]" /> <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> Ron, you sneaky snake, you filled the Locking bolt and Locking bolt spring HOLES!!! <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> and relabled the safety to read from top down, instead of from bottom up !!!, and you have swapped the Safety from the Port Side of the Cannon Assembly to the Starboard side. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> [img]tongue.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> [img]tongue.gif[/img] ViggoG <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />

06-30-2002, 09:59 AM	#10
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Now I suppose Ted will be wanting a BABY "Polish One Shot Armadillo Gun"! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

06-30-2002, 11:23 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Bravo! I dub thee Sir Viggo, first Knight of the Order of the Hawkeye <img src="graemlins/r.gif" border="0" alt="[king]" /> ! (That thread on the Prince's Luger must have gotten to me <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> ) I was actually looking for the Gesichert answer, the rest of the changes were simply the result of having to mirror image the cannon assembly to get it pointing in the wrong direction. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2002, 11:37 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Hugh, Do you mean one like this? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2002, 11:48 AM	#13
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Ron, I am heartened to see you guys have such a good sense of humor!!! I think that is a "one shot"(at least one per owner) Luger. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-30-2002, 12:10 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Ted, You got it, one shot and it becomes available for the next owner! I apologized to Joe for messing up his Luger pic, and I owe you an apology also. But thanks for posting such a nice picture that I could play with. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2002, 01:10 PM	#15
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What is the need for a "clip" in this particular model of the Luger (or is the clip capacity merely "one" round)? And were they supplied to the enemy? Ron, surely the original of this model was a Borchardt, and it would be marvelous if you could find a von Papen version! __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

06-30-2002, 01:45 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Wes, The clip is full capacity, but if you can get off more than one shot, you are either one lousy marksman or one heck of a better man than I am! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2002, 02:32 PM	#17
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,698 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,684 Times in 553 Posts	WOW! Are you guys a serious disappointment! Do none of you recognize two fine examples of the elusive Imperial Japanese Joint Army/Navy Contract Luger? Extremely RARE examples as most now rest at the bottom of the ocean. These pistols were issued ONLY to Kamakazee pilots for use in the event that they were shot down and survived. It was their final chance to succeed in their mission should they find themselves in imminent danger of capture. The two examples illustrated in this thread may be the only surviving guns from the contract and are obviously unissued.... hence, the superb condition of both. There's also an unsubstanciated rumor among advanced collectors that these may have been presentation model Kamakazee pistols, presented to pilots who completed five successful missions. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]