Trigger sometimes does not work

Ronfromflorida · 07-11-2011, 08:29 PM

Please I know someone here can help me but I am not sue how to post and naviagte the site.
My 1917 Mauser developed a triger problem I can't seem to fix.
Sometimes the weapon fires several shots without problem.
Then sometimes you have to pull the trigger 2 or 3 times before it fires.
Then sometimes I have to pull the bolt back just enough to see the catridge close it up and then it will always fire.
Please someone must know the cause and the fix???
Help Me...

alanint · 07-11-2011, 09:24 PM

The most probable issue is that the plunger in the end of your sear is not resetting properly. Does it move freely? There may be dirt or debris, which has accumulated in, under or around this little plunger. Clean it thoroughly and see what happens.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-11-2011, 09:42 PM

sometimes I have to pull the bolt back just enough to see the cartridge, close it up and then it will always fire.

It does not take much pull back on the toggle to recock the weapon. It might not be recocking after fireing.

I agree a thorough cleaning and lubricating would be a first step.

command450 · 07-11-2011, 10:37 PM

It does sound like a typical(intermittent FTF) gummed up firing pin assembly,inside the toggle.

Ronfromflorida · 07-11-2011, 10:52 PM

Thanks guys, I did throughly clean it already and did clean the little plunder in the side of the Toggle assemply but did not clean the firing pin assembly as far as I know 1917 was the last time anyone was in there.
I will try it all thanks guys though I was hoping this was a typical problem others would immediatly recognize.
But I shall try it all thanks for your prompt replys.
Love my Lugar, I was using it a s a carry gun here in Florida but his reliablity problem nixed that. Thanks Ron

SIGP2101 · 07-13-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronfromflorida

... but did not clean the firing pin assembly as far as I know 1917 was the last time anyone was in there.

wow, remember - trouble shooting starts with a clean gun only.

Lugerdoc · 07-15-2011, 11:21 AM

Ron et al, By definition a 1917 Mauser PO8 would have to be a mismatched shooter. Quite often when putting together such a luger, the parts will not be properly hand fitted. I agree that it sounds like it is not disconnecting properly on recoil. Most likely the trigger lever in the side plate is not allowing the disconnector plunger to pass under it for a second shot. This is common on parts guns and usually requires some fitting of the trigger lever. TH

Thor · 07-15-2011, 12:25 PM

Lugerdoc and Alanint are right. Also does the spring power of that small plunger on the end of the sear bar have plenty of power, sometimes those need to be replaced if they are weak or the plunger sticks. The top of the lever Lugerdoc mentioned is probably not moving away from the plunger enough to allow it to reset. Lugerdoc can fix many of these problems.

marshombre · 07-15-2011, 02:57 PM

You have a Mauser with a 1917 chamber date? I'm no expert, but Mauser did not produce Lugers until the 1930s.
It sounds to me like you have a mixed parts gun with faulty firing pin to sear engagement.
This guy is #1. Lugerdoc aka Tom Heller at <hellerarms@webtv.net>
PM me if you live near Tampa, maybe I can help. Good luck, MR

Marshombre- you post was moved because the original poster duplicated his original message, so you answer may or maynot seem in order as it is the last post on this thread and the first response on the duplicate message. Moderator

Ronfromflorida · 08-03-2011, 10:56 PM

Yes I live in St Pete. I am going to take it apart tonight and clean the firing pin area.
But I might want your help and would drive over to Tampa for it.\
Thanks for the offer. Ronnie

Ronfromflorida · 09-14-2011, 09:04 PM

marshombre is your offer still valid?
I have completely cleaned the thing reassembled it to no avail.
I'll drive where ever in Tampa or St Pete if you will just look at it with me.
Ronnie (727) 471-8936
or rndubs@hotmail.com

Ronfromflorida · 09-14-2011, 09:08 PM

Can anyone give me the step by step firing sequence from trigger pull to the reset for the next firing?

SIGP2101 · 09-15-2011, 04:51 PM

If I could only attach .AVI files you would be able to see entire step by step firing sequence.

07-11-2011, 09:42 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	sometimes I have to pull the bolt back just enough to see the cartridge, close it up and then it will always fire. It does not take much pull back on the toggle to recock the weapon. It might not be recocking after fireing. I agree a thorough cleaning and lubricating would be a first step. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-15-2011, 11:21 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ron et al, By definition a 1917 Mauser PO8 would have to be a mismatched shooter. Quite often when putting together such a luger, the parts will not be properly hand fitted. I agree that it sounds like it is not disconnecting properly on recoil. Most likely the trigger lever in the side plate is not allowing the disconnector plunger to pass under it for a second shot. This is common on parts guns and usually requires some fitting of the trigger lever. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-15-2011, 12:25 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Lugerdoc and Alanint are right. Also does the spring power of that small plunger on the end of the sear bar have plenty of power, sometimes those need to be replaced if they are weak or the plunger sticks. The top of the lever Lugerdoc mentioned is probably not moving away from the plunger enough to allow it to reset. Lugerdoc can fix many of these problems. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-15-2011, 02:57 PM	#9
marshombre User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: W Central FL Posts: 98 Thanks: 12 Thanked 20 Times in 11 Posts	You have a Mauser with a 1917 chamber date? I'm no expert, but Mauser did not produce Lugers until the 1930s. It sounds to me like you have a mixed parts gun with faulty firing pin to sear engagement. This guy is #1. Lugerdoc aka Tom Heller at <hellerarms@webtv.net> PM me if you live near Tampa, maybe I can help. Good luck, MR Marshombre- you post was moved because the original poster duplicated his original message, so you answer may or maynot seem in order as it is the last post on this thread and the first response on the duplicate message. Moderator __________________ Tempus edax rerum Last edited by Thor; 07-15-2011 at 05:47 PM. Reason: moved from duplicate post

08-03-2011, 10:56 PM	#10
Ronfromflorida User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi marshombre Yes I live in St Pete. I am going to take it apart tonight and clean the firing pin area. But I might want your help and would drive over to Tampa for it.\ Thanks for the offer. Ronnie

07-11-2011, 08:29 PM	#1
Ronfromflorida User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Trigger sometimes does not work Please I know someone here can help me but I am not sue how to post and naviagte the site. My 1917 Mauser developed a triger problem I can't seem to fix. Sometimes the weapon fires several shots without problem. Then sometimes you have to pull the trigger 2 or 3 times before it fires. Then sometimes I have to pull the bolt back just enough to see the catridge close it up and then it will always fire. Please someone must know the cause and the fix??? Help Me...

07-11-2011, 09:24 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The most probable issue is that the plunger in the end of your sear is not resetting properly. Does it move freely? There may be dirt or debris, which has accumulated in, under or around this little plunger. Clean it thoroughly and see what happens.

07-11-2011, 10:37 PM	#4
command450 User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Michigan Posts: 38 Thanks: 16 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	It does sound like a typical(intermittent FTF) gummed up firing pin assembly,inside the toggle.

07-11-2011, 10:52 PM	#5
Ronfromflorida User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys, I did throughly clean it already and did clean the little plunder in the side of the Toggle assemply but did not clean the firing pin assembly as far as I know 1917 was the last time anyone was in there. I will try it all thanks guys though I was hoping this was a typical problem others would immediatly recognize. But I shall try it all thanks for your prompt replys. Love my Lugar, I was using it a s a carry gun here in Florida but his reliablity problem nixed that. Thanks Ron

09-14-2011, 09:04 PM	#11
Ronfromflorida User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	marshombre is your offer still valid? I have completely cleaned the thing reassembled it to no avail. I'll drive where ever in Tampa or St Pete if you will just look at it with me. Ronnie (727) 471-8936 or rndubs@hotmail.com

09-14-2011, 09:08 PM	#12
Ronfromflorida User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can anyone give me the step by step firing sequence from trigger pull to the reset for the next firing?

09-15-2011, 04:51 PM	#13
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	If I could only attach .AVI files you would be able to see entire step by step firing sequence.