New Member - Luger Info - Help

sherwoodscrossing · 10-18-2009, 11:58 AM

Hi to all,
As stated above, I am a new member and have questions about my "Simson & Suhl Co." Luger my father brought back from Germany in 1945.
Serial #8603 is stamped all over including the inside of the wooden grips.
I've researched all I could find, but am unable to determine age.
Any help you expertd can give will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Clark

policeluger · 10-18-2009, 04:34 PM

Welcome....stand by your going to get lots of commets, this is a dandy.....I'll let the experts ring in......thans for sharing

lugerholsterrepair · 10-18-2009, 05:15 PM

Clark, Our in residence Simson expert, who wrote the book on Simson Lugers.. Ed Tinker will be along shortly..I believe he is at a gun show today.

By the way..put some oil on the poor thing!

Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 10-18-2009, 09:24 PM

Although the magazine matches by number, its an eagle 63 and thus NOT a Simson magazine.

I can't quite see the proofs and acceptance on the right, is it Eagle 6 eagle 6 eagle 6 proof eagle or?

Look on the bottom of the gun, as if you are placing the mag into the well, the stock lug should be marked eagle 6 eagle or E33 E33.

8603 would most likely have been made around 1929 or 1930...

Ed

PS: Any grip strap markings?

PSS: I will move this to the new collector area...

sherwoodscrossing · 10-19-2009, 07:16 PM

Hi,
Many thanks to you all Police Luger, Jerry & Ed for your quick responses. First, I had oil this Luger before I put it away. Got to do it again.
I read a post on Care & Feeding for Lugers, will pull it up and follow those instructions.
Second, to Ed...The proofs read Eagle 6 (with another Eagle on top), Eagle 33 & Eagle 6. The stock lug reads Eagle 6, I believe that would be at the very bottom of the grip strap (if I'm understanding what a "Grip Strap" is).
Is this helpful?
Thanks again for your help.
Clark
USN Retired

sheepherder · 06-18-2015, 10:36 AM

One of these pics was a 'Random Album Picture' today, and as I've never seen pics of a Simson before (they don't get discussed much) I'm curious about the 'flaking' of the bluing...It's best seen on the safety lever but also on the toggle...

Is this 'flaking' typical of Simson's???

Why would this happen???

John Sabato · 06-18-2015, 12:35 PM

I would venture an educated guess, that the type of rust that occurs is not manufacturer dependent, but dependent on the conditions that caused the rust to form. All military Lugers, regardless of the manufacturer, would have to be made to strict metallurgy and finish specifications... so how they would rust would have to depend on how they lived their "lives"... Just my $0.02

10-18-2009, 11:58 AM	#1
sherwoodscrossing New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bayville, NJ Posts: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	New Member - Luger Info - Help Hi to all, As stated above, I am a new member and have questions about my "Simson & Suhl Co." Luger my father brought back from Germany in 1945. Serial #8603 is stamped all over including the inside of the wooden grips. I've researched all I could find, but am unable to determine age. Any help you expertd can give will be appreciated. Thanks, Clark Attached Thumbnails

10-18-2009, 05:15 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Clark, Our in residence Simson expert, who wrote the book on Simson Lugers.. Ed Tinker will be along shortly..I believe he is at a gun show today. By the way..put some oil on the poor thing! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-18-2009, 09:24 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Although the magazine matches by number, its an eagle 63 and thus NOT a Simson magazine. I can't quite see the proofs and acceptance on the right, is it Eagle 6 eagle 6 eagle 6 proof eagle or? Look on the bottom of the gun, as if you are placing the mag into the well, the stock lug should be marked eagle 6 eagle or E33 E33. 8603 would most likely have been made around 1929 or 1930... Ed PS: Any grip strap markings? PSS: I will move this to the new collector area... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-18-2015, 10:36 AM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	One of these pics was a 'Random Album Picture' today, and as I've never seen pics of a Simson before (they don't get discussed much) I'm curious about the 'flaking' of the bluing...It's best seen on the safety lever but also on the toggle... Is this 'flaking' typical of Simson's??? Why would this happen??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-18-2015, 12:35 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I would venture an educated guess, that the type of rust that occurs is not manufacturer dependent, but dependent on the conditions that caused the rust to form. All military Lugers, regardless of the manufacturer, would have to be made to strict metallurgy and finish specifications... so how they would rust would have to depend on how they lived their "lives"... Just my $0.02 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-18-2009, 04:34 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Welcome....stand by your going to get lots of commets, this is a dandy.....I'll let the experts ring in......thans for sharing

10-19-2009, 07:16 PM	#5
sherwoodscrossing New User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bayville, NJ Posts: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Hi, Many thanks to you all Police Luger, Jerry & Ed for your quick responses. First, I had oil this Luger before I put it away. Got to do it again. I read a post on Care & Feeding for Lugers, will pull it up and follow those instructions. Second, to Ed...The proofs read Eagle 6 (with another Eagle on top), Eagle 33 & Eagle 6. The stock lug reads Eagle 6, I believe that would be at the very bottom of the grip strap (if I'm understanding what a "Grip Strap" is). Is this helpful? Thanks again for your help. Clark USN Retired