1914 Commercial

wlyon · 05-09-2005, 05:42 PM

1914 Commercial, serial #72353. Has both commercial and military serial number placement. Has circle S on left receiver behind the horizontal C/N. Does not have a sear safety. Number 2132 has been X'ed out on the rear above the lanyard loop. 1920 permissive stamp on top of receiver. Gun is all matching in 75-80% condition. Was brought back from Germany by my wife's father during WWII. Interesting luger. Any comments on circle S, etc.?

Edward Tinker · 05-09-2005, 05:51 PM

Bill, yes I do... Is the circle S actually on the left of the receiver? Can we see multiple pictures? As you can see, I collect stories of bring-backs, eventually put them in a book, I'd like to use this and pictures of the luger if possible? Where it was found/captured/taken, units dad was in etc.

Is it dated 1914, or are you using the "old" designation of 1914 model? As the serial number is higher than 1914 if I remember correctly...

Ed

wlyon · 05-09-2005, 05:56 PM

Ed, I don't know how to post multiple pictures. Help!
Bill

wlyon · 05-09-2005, 06:03 PM

Ed - Sorry, I don't know my right from my left. It IS on the left side of the receiver by the crown N. By serial number it is a 1914 commercial. It has a 1920 permissive stamp on the receiver. It's fine with me if you want to use the pictures and info. All we know is that he was a warrant officer in France and Germany during WWII, and he passed away in 1965.
Bill

Ron Wood · 05-09-2005, 06:17 PM

According to Still, the observed serial number range of the 1914 Commercial extends to 74275, so Bill's Luger is well within the known range. A 1914 Commercial should also have the unrelieved sear bar, unlike the Basil Police and later 5-digit commericals made in the 20's that have the relieved 1916 patent type sear bar. Obviously, this Luger has had the sear bar modified or replaced.

wlyon · 05-09-2005, 07:55 PM

Ed .I have a 1920 German police with matching tool, and holster. It has capture papers from June 1945. Are you interested in anything like this for your book? The grip strap is SD marked for police.

ADMIN: Pictures posted:

Edward Tinker · 05-09-2005, 07:57 PM

Thanks Ron, I am traveling, In Chi town right now, have 3rd Reich Lugers with me, okay, I bought a sweet 1937, so out of my Weimar realm! Ron, help me, need a Erfurt to help my withdrawals!!!

Ed

wlyon · 05-09-2005, 09:49 PM

Ed - I guess I'll have to email these pictures to you, but your profile says that you don't accept emails. Is there another way to get them to you through the forum?

Edward Tinker · 05-09-2005, 09:52 PM

pictures posted.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 05-10-2005, 01:02 PM

Bill, According to Costanzo, your S in a circle indicates an early Simson rework. With the 1920 on the chamber, it was in military inventory then. TH

wlyon · 05-11-2005, 11:48 PM

I hope everyone on this forum appreciates the rapid !! expert responses as much as I do. A great effort that doesn't just happen, it takes dedicated people who truly are trying to help. Thank you.

MauserLugers · 05-12-2005, 01:08 AM

I have a very similar Luger. Mine is a Basel Police, serial number 75690, has a 1920 chamber date and the Circle S on the left receiver. This Luger is marked 648 below the lanyard loop and has a sear safety, and has had the slot filled in for the magazine safety. Also has two matching magazines, one a Hanael, and the other an aluminum bottom with a Hanael dove on the base. Has a blank loading tool and a 1933 police holster. I'm thinking of selling this piece if anyone is interested. -- Bill

05-09-2005, 05:42 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	1914 Commercial 1914 Commercial, serial #72353. Has both commercial and military serial number placement. Has circle S on left receiver behind the horizontal C/N. Does not have a sear safety. Number 2132 has been X'ed out on the rear above the lanyard loop. 1920 permissive stamp on top of receiver. Gun is all matching in 75-80% condition. Was brought back from Germany by my wife's father during WWII. Interesting luger. Any comments on circle S, etc.? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Lyon

05-09-2005, 05:51 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Bill, yes I do... Is the circle S actually on the left of the receiver? Can we see multiple pictures? As you can see, I collect stories of bring-backs, eventually put them in a book, I'd like to use this and pictures of the luger if possible? Where it was found/captured/taken, units dad was in etc. Is it dated 1914, or are you using the "old" designation of 1914 model? As the serial number is higher than 1914 if I remember correctly... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-09-2005, 05:56 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Ed, I don't know how to post multiple pictures. Help! Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-09-2005, 06:03 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Ed - Sorry, I don't know my right from my left. It IS on the left side of the receiver by the crown N. By serial number it is a 1914 commercial. It has a 1920 permissive stamp on the receiver. It's fine with me if you want to use the pictures and info. All we know is that he was a warrant officer in France and Germany during WWII, and he passed away in 1965. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-09-2005, 06:17 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	According to Still, the observed serial number range of the 1914 Commercial extends to 74275, so Bill's Luger is well within the known range. A 1914 Commercial should also have the unrelieved sear bar, unlike the Basil Police and later 5-digit commericals made in the 20's that have the relieved 1916 patent type sear bar. Obviously, this Luger has had the sear bar modified or replaced. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2005, 07:55 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Ed .I have a 1920 German police with matching tool, and holster. It has capture papers from June 1945. Are you interested in anything like this for your book? The grip strap is SD marked for police. ADMIN: Pictures posted: __________________ Bill Lyon

05-09-2005, 07:57 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Thanks Ron, I am traveling, In Chi town right now, have 3rd Reich Lugers with me, okay, I bought a sweet 1937, so out of my Weimar realm! Ron, help me, need a Erfurt to help my withdrawals!!! Ed

05-09-2005, 09:49 PM	#8
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Ed - I guess I'll have to email these pictures to you, but your profile says that you don't accept emails. Is there another way to get them to you through the forum? __________________ Bill Lyon

05-09-2005, 09:52 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	pictures posted. Ed

05-10-2005, 01:02 PM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Bill, According to Costanzo, your S in a circle indicates an early Simson rework. With the 1920 on the chamber, it was in military inventory then. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-11-2005, 11:48 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	I hope everyone on this forum appreciates the rapid !! expert responses as much as I do. A great effort that doesn't just happen, it takes dedicated people who truly are trying to help. Thank you. __________________ Bill Lyon

05-12-2005, 01:08 AM	#12
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	I have a very similar Luger. Mine is a Basel Police, serial number 75690, has a 1920 chamber date and the Circle S on the left receiver. This Luger is marked 648 below the lanyard loop and has a sear safety, and has had the slot filled in for the magazine safety. Also has two matching magazines, one a Hanael, and the other an aluminum bottom with a Hanael dove on the base. Has a blank loading tool and a 1933 police holster. I'm thinking of selling this piece if anyone is interested. -- Bill