1933 Kadettin Institute

Herb · 09-18-2002, 03:25 PM

Ever heard of one of these?
http://gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=5412401

Thor · 09-18-2002, 03:49 PM

Yep, Jan Still's Weimar Lugers, page 207, 208,247-251
Notice I was the first bidder, hahaha,lots of fakes of these, only 11 Erfurts known from Still's book. Good luck! I dont intend to bid anymore on it! Thor (Bergie)

MauserLugers · 09-18-2002, 08:43 PM

Hi,
Lots of fakes in these -- As I have been told, the real ones have larger than normal numbers on the receiver and toggles and are not over a 3 digit serial number.

A lot of the fakes are made from Simson's. They use some old Simson, put on a maching Erfurt toggle, and remove a few of the acceptance proofs, stamp a Kl. 1933 on the chamber, refinish it, put on some wear, and presto -- a rare gun. Trouble is the serial numbers are too high and not big enough.

What is your opinion of the two 1925 Simson's on Gunbroker and are they correct? Good collecting!

Herb · 09-18-2002, 10:10 PM

I watched those two Simsons right up to the last bid. I thought about getting into the bidding but I have a Simson and the bidding got too high. Aarron Davis' book The Luger Handbook places a value of $1975 (1997 time) on one in good condition so both were very good buys, assuming the stripped one was refurbished. From the pictures they both appeared to be original outside, hard to tell if everything inside was also matching, but that is what the three day inspection period is for. I would think they both will undergo total redo's and will hit the market as all original in the future. For reference and future watchout the stripped one was #5298 and the one with about 75-80% blue was #1390. Both are dated 1925.

MauserLugers · 09-18-2002, 10:57 PM

Hi Herb,
Please check your private message.

Jan C Still · 09-27-2002, 01:34 PM

Pete Ebbink · 09-27-2002, 02:54 PM

Is the current thinking for "KI" now "Kl" (for Konzentrationlager...forgive my spelling...), thus lugers used for guards at some concentration camps ?

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Jan C Still · 09-27-2002, 06:07 PM

Edmond , DCB shooting · 10-01-2002, 07:37 PM

HI, folks, BTW if you mean Cadets it is not Kadettin but Kadetten. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> 01 00 AM

09-18-2002, 03:49 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Yep, Jan Still's Weimar Lugers, page 207, 208,247-251 Notice I was the first bidder, hahaha,lots of fakes of these, only 11 Erfurts known from Still's book. Good luck! I dont intend to bid anymore on it! Thor (Bergie) __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-18-2002, 10:10 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I watched those two Simsons right up to the last bid. I thought about getting into the bidding but I have a Simson and the bidding got too high. Aarron Davis' book The Luger Handbook places a value of $1975 (1997 time) on one in good condition so both were very good buys, assuming the stripped one was refurbished. From the pictures they both appeared to be original outside, hard to tell if everything inside was also matching, but that is what the three day inspection period is for. I would think they both will undergo total redo's and will hit the market as all original in the future. For reference and future watchout the stripped one was #5298 and the one with about 75-80% blue was #1390. Both are dated 1925. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-01-2002, 07:37 PM	#9
Edmond , DCB shooting User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FRANCE Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HI, folks, BTW if you mean Cadets it is not Kadettin but Kadetten. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> 01 00 AM __________________ Shoot'in by DCB

09-18-2002, 03:25 PM	#1
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1933 Kadettin Institute Ever heard of one of these? http://gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=5412401 __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

09-18-2002, 08:43 PM	#3
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, Lots of fakes in these -- As I have been told, the real ones have larger than normal numbers on the receiver and toggles and are not over a 3 digit serial number. A lot of the fakes are made from Simson's. They use some old Simson, put on a maching Erfurt toggle, and remove a few of the acceptance proofs, stamp a Kl. 1933 on the chamber, refinish it, put on some wear, and presto -- a rare gun. Trouble is the serial numbers are too high and not big enough. What is your opinion of the two 1925 Simson's on Gunbroker and are they correct? Good collecting!

09-18-2002, 10:57 PM	#5
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi Herb, Please check your private message.

09-27-2002, 01:34 PM	#6
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts

09-27-2002, 02:54 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Is the current thinking for "KI" now "Kl" (for Konzentrationlager...forgive my spelling...), thus lugers used for guards at some concentration camps ? Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-27-2002, 06:07 PM	#8
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts