1916 DMW

M38 · 06-17-2008, 09:39 AM

Hi
This luger is listed for sale at another forum. The seller is asking $1,800.00. Is the four digit serial number thing true? Is the price too high?
Thanks

1916 DWM Luger: - A excellent example of a WWI Luger. All the numbers match, there are no import marks, and as far as I can tell the finish is original (I did the "shine a bright light and if it glows reddish its original" test). This weapon is kind of unique as it only has a four digit letter SN, with no letter code - letter codes were applied after the first 10,000 guns produced, so its an early one.

Ron Smith · 06-17-2008, 09:54 AM

Hi Alan,

It looks all correct and in good, but not excellent condition(slight pitting and faded straw color). The serial number without a suffix indicates the first block of 10,000 run in 1916. However that's really nothing special.

The price is pretty much maximum and IMO, a bit high for the condition. I would put it around $1500.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 06-17-2008, 01:30 PM

So the 3 digit, no suffix I just sold for should have gone for a lot more, dang it!

policeluger · 06-17-2008, 02:08 PM

No mention of clip????

M38 · 06-17-2008, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
So the 3 digit, no suffix I just sold for should have gone for a lot more, dang it!

From the seller: "This will come with three mags...which are of unknown provenance (probably Mecgar)."

CROLUGER · 06-17-2008, 02:46 PM

Ejector is broken!

John Sabato · 06-17-2008, 05:07 PM

Nice catch Nikola! The ejector does seem to be missing a critical piece... namely the tab that does the ejection...

lugerholsterrepair · 06-17-2008, 06:07 PM

YUP! Nikola has observed..that puppy is busted off at the root! To break this hard part is pretty tough and I would want to inspect the bolt and interior of the chamber to see what happened there...

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 06-17-2008, 11:23 PM

The ejector isn't numbered and could/should be replaced without stigma. I never have been a stickler for matched mags to make an item "collectable". Having said that, I agree with the much more handsome and intelligent other Ron that I would be more comfortable with a price closer to $1500.

M38 · 06-18-2008, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Wood
The ejector isn't numbered and could/should be replaced without stigma. I never have been a stickler for matched mags to make an item "collectable". Having said that, I agree with the much more handsome and intelligent other Ron that I would be more comfortable with a price closer to $1500.

What would be the cost to replace an ejector?

Thanks for all of the assistance guys! There is a wealth of knowledge here.

Ron Smith · 06-18-2008, 09:15 AM

"I agree with the much more handsome and intelligent other Ron"

EGAD! I've been found out... Yes, I am in fact, Errol Flynn

Edward Tinker · 06-18-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Smith

EGAD! I've been found out... Yes, I am in fact, Errol Flynn

Errol Flynn , he's dead

Ron Smith · 06-18-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
Errol Flynn , he's dead

Well yeah! There's always that.

Zamo · 08-15-2008, 12:30 PM

Ha! Been parusing AR15.com eh? I saw that piece over there just after I bought my 1916 DWM for much cheaper...however, in all honesty, this one does look much nicer than mine.
Good catch on the broken ejector. I didn't see that when I was goatishly examining the pics on that board myself.

And in a ghoulish vein, I wonder just what old Errol Flynn actually looks like in his crypt at this time...I doubt he is very good looking. At least to anyone other than a bone-hungry dog...

John Sabato · 08-15-2008, 01:39 PM

... I had a suspicion that all this time there were brothers!

The only way you can tell them apart is one of them is wearing a hat!

(photos courtesy of the Lugerforum Rogues Gallery)

barr44 · 08-16-2008, 03:15 PM

I replaced an ejector on a late '40s Luger, which is a shooter. I got the ejector from Numrich Gun parts, if I remember correctly for about $35. Not sure if these early guns used the same ejector, you'd need to ask some of the experts on this board and/or do some research. Tom Heller would be a good person to check with. It's a little tricky replacing this part since it is similar to hardened spring steel and is subject to breakage during installation. If you are handy with tools and small parts, you shouldn't have much difficulty.
I think Jerry has a very good point in that you should ensure that there isn't other damage besides the ejector. This is true if you are planning to shoot this gun. If you don't plan on shooting it, then you probably wouldn't need to worry about the ejector. Hope this helps, barr

Alx · 09-25-2008, 10:21 PM

It only takes the edge of the standard Luger take-down and mag loading tool, or an empty shell casing, or thin smooth flat screwdriver, or nail clipper, etc. to pop out a Luger ejector, and the path getting to there is all done with no other tools. If you have bulletproof thumbnails, you may be able to get it out with no tools at all.
It is trickier to install than remove, but installing an ejector takes NO tools at all.

06-17-2008, 09:39 AM	#1
M38 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1916 DMW Hi This luger is listed for sale at another forum. The seller is asking $1,800.00. Is the four digit serial number thing true? Is the price too high? Thanks 1916 DWM Luger: - A excellent example of a WWI Luger. All the numbers match, there are no import marks, and as far as I can tell the finish is original (I did the "shine a bright light and if it glows reddish its original" test). This weapon is kind of unique as it only has a four digit letter SN, with no letter code - letter codes were applied after the first 10,000 guns produced, so its an early one.

06-17-2008, 09:54 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Alan, It looks all correct and in good, but not excellent condition(slight pitting and faded straw color). The serial number without a suffix indicates the first block of 10,000 run in 1916. However that's really nothing special. The price is pretty much maximum and IMO, a bit high for the condition. I would put it around $1500. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-17-2008, 01:30 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	So the 3 digit, no suffix I just sold for should have gone for a lot more, dang it! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-17-2008, 02:46 PM	#6
CROLUGER User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Croatia. Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Ejector is broken! __________________ Luger DWM 1915, Luger BYF 1942, Walther P-38 AC43 & CYQ 1944, Mauser Hsc, Steyr 1909, Frommer Stop 1916, SA XD HS 45, Beretta M34, M70, M72, M950B, 92FS, Browning 1910/22, CZ M-48, CZ PAP M59/66, Winchester 9422M, GLOCK 19.

06-17-2008, 05:07 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Nice catch Nikola! The ejector does seem to be missing a critical piece... namely the tab that does the ejection... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-17-2008, 02:08 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	No mention of clip????

06-17-2008, 06:07 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	YUP! Nikola has observed..that puppy is busted off at the root! To break this hard part is pretty tough and I would want to inspect the bolt and interior of the chamber to see what happened there... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2008, 11:23 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	The ejector isn't numbered and could/should be replaced without stigma. I never have been a stickler for matched mags to make an item "collectable". Having said that, I agree with the much more handsome and intelligent other Ron that I would be more comfortable with a price closer to $1500. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-18-2008, 09:15 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	"I agree with the much more handsome and intelligent other Ron" EGAD! I've been found out... Yes, I am in fact, Errol Flynn __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-15-2008, 12:30 PM	#14
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Ha! Been parusing AR15.com eh? I saw that piece over there just after I bought my 1916 DWM for much cheaper...however, in all honesty, this one does look much nicer than mine. Good catch on the broken ejector. I didn't see that when I was goatishly examining the pics on that board myself. And in a ghoulish vein, I wonder just what old Errol Flynn actually looks like in his crypt at this time...I doubt he is very good looking. At least to anyone other than a bone-hungry dog... __________________ <INSERT WITTY SAYING HERE> My collection: http://home.comcast.net/~gunspotz/guns.htm

08-15-2008, 01:39 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	... I had a suspicion that all this time there were brothers! The only way you can tell them apart is one of them is wearing a hat! (photos courtesy of the Lugerforum Rogues Gallery) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-16-2008, 03:15 PM	#16
barr44 User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: york co., va Posts: 151 Thanks: 27 Thanked 35 Times in 21 Posts	I replaced an ejector on a late '40s Luger, which is a shooter. I got the ejector from Numrich Gun parts, if I remember correctly for about $35. Not sure if these early guns used the same ejector, you'd need to ask some of the experts on this board and/or do some research. Tom Heller would be a good person to check with. It's a little tricky replacing this part since it is similar to hardened spring steel and is subject to breakage during installation. If you are handy with tools and small parts, you shouldn't have much difficulty. I think Jerry has a very good point in that you should ensure that there isn't other damage besides the ejector. This is true if you are planning to shoot this gun. If you don't plan on shooting it, then you probably wouldn't need to worry about the ejector. Hope this helps, barr

09-25-2008, 10:21 PM	#17
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	It only takes the edge of the standard Luger take-down and mag loading tool, or an empty shell casing, or thin smooth flat screwdriver, or nail clipper, etc. to pop out a Luger ejector, and the path getting to there is all done with no other tools. If you have bulletproof thumbnails, you may be able to get it out with no tools at all. It is trickier to install than remove, but installing an ejector takes NO tools at all.