Bob Simpson Says Consider A Swiss

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 02:08 PM

http://www.guns.com/2011/05/17/colle...ss-connection/ Eric

Vlim · 07-31-2014, 02:27 PM

Good advice, prices in Europe are pretty decent at the moment. The Swiss lugers have been free to own in Belgium for a number of years. This fact dramatically increased the prices of these pistols and Belgium served as the main distribution point to other EU-countries (not neccesarily legally....). After some gun related mishaps the Belgian law was revised and the Swiss lugers are now permit-only guns again, reducing the prices considerably.

I recently purchased 2 examples from a gun store at an interesting location, they are based on the old industrial zone that was once the Rottweiler Pulverfabriken in southern Germany, later part of the well known IG Farben. This industrial zone lay in ruins for many years and has been restored and turned into a business and leisure park in the last decades. The history of the complex makes it well worth a visit.

Sorry for the tatty photographs, I only had my phone with me and they are waiting there for import documents.

mrerick · 07-31-2014, 03:40 PM

I'm particularly impressed with Swiss Lugers!

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 03:56 PM

Thanks to George Anderson I will own mine next week! I feel like an expectant father~~

Ron Wood · 07-31-2014, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

I'm particularly impressed with Swiss Lugers!

Me too!

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 04:15 PM

They are just so Sweeeeet ~~~~!

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 06:32 PM

Has anyone heard of Fred Datig's Swiss book? http://www.amazon.com/Luger-Pistol-H.../dp/B0039OG2RY Eric~

Ron Wood · 07-31-2014, 09:05 PM

Yep, that one has been around a long time and is usually in a Luger collector's basic library. You may already have one...note that the illustration in the Amazon ad is not the actual book cover.

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 09:43 PM

No but I do have what I consider the finest! Vittorio M. Bobbo, PARABELLUM A Techinal History Of Swiss Lugers. It is printed both in Italian and English. Beautiful photography and over 200 pages!

Vlim · 07-31-2014, 10:02 PM

I still shake my head at this title 'A technical history'. Although the book has nice photos, it doesn't explain anything of value on the technical changes made to the Swiss Parabellum.

We included more background info in our book 'The Parabellum Is Back! 1945-2000' ... Including the altered opening curve of the 06/29 and the list of parts manufacturers and suppliers to the Waffenfabrik Bern.

cirelaw · 07-31-2014, 10:18 PM

Your Right! I will order a copy tomorrow! Tks

siegersallee · 08-06-2014, 11:36 AM

Ron,

Where did you get those very stylish luger stands in your post:

Ron Wood · 08-06-2014, 11:37 AM

I made them.

kzullick · 08-06-2014, 03:38 PM

Very nice Ron.

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 03:48 PM

Where all Swiss lugers made for 7.65 calibre. Was the 9mm round ever considered? Eric http://www.landofborchardt.com/ammo-swiss.html

Vlim · 08-06-2014, 04:39 PM

Yes, they did consider a 9mm version and they finally even managed to produce a good 9mm one, but not without a fight

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 05:02 PM

Thank you! Did the 9mm ever go into production? My book in on its way!

Vlim · 08-06-2014, 05:43 PM

No, not officially. By the time they were done with the 06/29 in 9mm, they were already well away with the acceptance of a new 9mm pistol: the SIG P210.

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 05:55 PM

Tks~Were they as accurate as a Swiss Watch?

guns3545 · 08-06-2014, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Where all Swiss lugers made for 7.65 calibre. Was the 9mm round ever considered? Eric http://www.landofborchardt.com/ammo-swiss.html

Eric,

They produced a few, certainly less than 100, almost against everyone's objections, in the 1924/8 era, around SN 24,000 to 27,000 but by the time 1929 came along the project was dead.

May be off on the SN range but 9mm variations have been seen. Not many, but they are around and expensive. The 9mm Luger was never a serious contender for their next generation sidearm. Too complicated, too costly and alternatives mainly driven by Browning's work on the Model 1911 abounded.

John

07-31-2014, 02:08 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Bob Simpson Says Consider A Swiss http://www.guns.com/2011/05/17/colle...ss-connection/ Eric

07-31-2014, 02:27 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Good advice, prices in Europe are pretty decent at the moment. The Swiss lugers have been free to own in Belgium for a number of years. This fact dramatically increased the prices of these pistols and Belgium served as the main distribution point to other EU-countries (not neccesarily legally....). After some gun related mishaps the Belgian law was revised and the Swiss lugers are now permit-only guns again, reducing the prices considerably. I recently purchased 2 examples from a gun store at an interesting location, they are based on the old industrial zone that was once the Rottweiler Pulverfabriken in southern Germany, later part of the well known IG Farben. This industrial zone lay in ruins for many years and has been restored and turned into a business and leisure park in the last decades. The history of the complex makes it well worth a visit. Sorry for the tatty photographs, I only had my phone with me and they are waiting there for import documents. Attached Thumbnails

07-31-2014, 03:40 PM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I'm particularly impressed with Swiss Lugers! Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-31-2014, 09:05 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Yep, that one has been around a long time and is usually in a Luger collector's basic library. You may already have one...note that the illustration in the Amazon ad is not the actual book cover. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-31-2014, 09:43 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	No but I do have what I consider the finest! Vittorio M. Bobbo, PARABELLUM A Techinal History Of Swiss Lugers. It is printed both in Italian and English. Beautiful photography and over 200 pages! Attached Thumbnails

07-31-2014, 03:56 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thanks to George Anderson I will own mine next week! I feel like an expectant father~~

07-31-2014, 04:15 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	They are just so Sweeeeet ~~~~!

07-31-2014, 06:32 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Has anyone heard of Fred Datig's Swiss book? http://www.amazon.com/Luger-Pistol-H.../dp/B0039OG2RY Eric~

07-31-2014, 10:02 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	I still shake my head at this title 'A technical history'. Although the book has nice photos, it doesn't explain anything of value on the technical changes made to the Swiss Parabellum. We included more background info in our book 'The Parabellum Is Back! 1945-2000' ... Including the altered opening curve of the 06/29 and the list of parts manufacturers and suppliers to the Waffenfabrik Bern.

07-31-2014, 10:18 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Your Right! I will order a copy tomorrow! Tks

08-06-2014, 11:36 AM	#12
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Ron, Where did you get those very stylish luger stands in your post: Attached Images __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

08-06-2014, 11:37 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	I made them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-06-2014, 03:38 PM	#14
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 614 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	Very nice Ron.

08-06-2014, 03:48 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Where all Swiss lugers made for 7.65 calibre. Was the 9mm round ever considered? Eric http://www.landofborchardt.com/ammo-swiss.html

08-06-2014, 04:39 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yes, they did consider a 9mm version and they finally even managed to produce a good 9mm one, but not without a fight

08-06-2014, 05:02 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank you! Did the 9mm ever go into production? My book in on its way!

08-06-2014, 05:43 PM	#18
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	No, not officially. By the time they were done with the 06/29 in 9mm, they were already well away with the acceptance of a new 9mm pistol: the SIG P210.

08-06-2014, 05:55 PM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Tks~Were they as accurate as a Swiss Watch?