For real or no?

hayhugh · 05-01-2014, 01:54 PM

I see one in Kenyon's book "LUGERS AT RANDOM" on page 399 and one is now listed on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Artill...item48655b8851

I have see where some people say there is no such animal. What is the consensus here??

Edward Tinker · 05-01-2014, 02:10 PM

from experts they have told me - not leather - canvas yes

I do not doubt them, but most things WW1 were made from leather, but these are people who know what they are talking about - so unless one comes in a 'collection' or falls in your lap, I would not pay big bucks for one, unless you really want one.

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 05-01-2014, 02:12 PM

Pure fantasy item.

George Anderson · 05-01-2014, 02:37 PM

Consider the seller.

John Sabato · 05-01-2014, 02:42 PM

+1 on Ed, Jerry and George's comments....

Here is a link to our own Mauro Baudino's website on the LP-08. This link will take you to a page where you can see a photo of the canvas type TM-08 case that was used. I have never seen a period photograph of a leather snaildrum case. Surely if they were real, at least one photograph before/during/after WW1 showing the leather case in use would have surfaced by now. Hence, until proven otherwise, it's a FAKE.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-01-2014, 02:45 PM

John! until proven otherwise? You are being too lenient..

Ron Wood · 05-01-2014, 02:50 PM

Considering that drum magazines did not exist until 1916/1917 (patented in July of 1916), a 1915 dated carrier might seem a little suspect?

SIGP2101 · 05-01-2014, 03:23 PM

Too crude for any type of European craftsmanship of that era.

John Sabato · 05-01-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGP2101

Too crude for any type of European craftsmanship of that era.

I'd say Pakistani origin, maybe around the year 2010... and then the aging process takes place by having their animals chew on them and then leave them out in the sun for a few months, eh?

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Considering that drum magazines did not exist until 1916/1917 (patented in July of 1916), a 1915 dated carrier might seem a little suspect?

+1... nice catch Ron.

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

John! until proven otherwise? You are being too lenient..

...just tryin' to be polite Jerry...

hayhugh · 05-01-2014, 05:45 PM

Other then the photo on page 399, are there any other obvious errors in LUGERS AT RANDOM?

Ron Wood · 05-01-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh

Other then the photo on page 399, are there any other obvious errors in LUGERS AT RANDOM?

Probably...a lot has been learned since the book was first published in 1969 (and, other than publishing it in a smaller format, has not been updated since). It still remains an excellent reference for the new collector as it provides a "catalog" of most major Luger variations. A little of the descriptive information is no longer valid, so newer references should be consulted when contemplating a high dollar or obscure purchase.

George Anderson · 05-01-2014, 06:45 PM

Mr. Wood, you certainly are a diplomat.

Dwight Gruber · 05-02-2014, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Consider the seller.

At least the picture is in focus

--Dwight

sheepherder · 05-02-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Consider the seller.

Ah, the Revshop, in Prior Lake!

I wonder if they're hiring...

05-01-2014, 01:54 PM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	For real or no? I see one in Kenyon's book "LUGERS AT RANDOM" on page 399 and one is now listed on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Artill...item48655b8851 I have see where some people say there is no such animal. What is the consensus here?? Last edited by hayhugh; 05-01-2014 at 05:42 PM. Reason: Add title "Lugers at Random"

05-01-2014, 02:12 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Pure fantasy item. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	+1 on Ed, Jerry and George's comments.... Here is a link to our own Mauro Baudino's website on the LP-08. This link will take you to a page where you can see a photo of the canvas type TM-08 case that was used. I have never seen a period photograph of a leather snaildrum case. Surely if they were real, at least one photograph before/during/after WW1 showing the leather case in use would have surfaced by now. Hence, until proven otherwise, it's a FAKE. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-01-2014, 02:45 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	John! until proven otherwise? You are being too lenient.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Considering that drum magazines did not exist until 1916/1917 (patented in July of 1916), a 1915 dated carrier might seem a little suspect? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-01-2014, 02:10 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	from experts they have told me - not leather - canvas yes I do not doubt them, but most things WW1 were made from leather, but these are people who know what they are talking about - so unless one comes in a 'collection' or falls in your lap, I would not pay big bucks for one, unless you really want one. Ed

05-01-2014, 02:37 PM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Consider the seller.

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SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	Too crude for any type of European craftsmanship of that era.

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hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Other then the photo on page 399, are there any other obvious errors in LUGERS AT RANDOM?

05-01-2014, 06:45 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Mr. Wood, you certainly are a diplomat.