vL&D C96 traded (in)

alvin · 01-14-2012, 07:59 AM

Traded in a Late Shallow Milled vL&D, matching stock and matching grip panels. Imported by vL&D in 1901.

abukafura · 01-14-2012, 03:20 PM

Might you share the serial number with us? Thanks

alvin · 01-14-2012, 03:31 PM

Herman -- The s/n is hided in the name of the last picture. Open it and you'll see it (pix name).

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Back from a gun show. Unbelievable amount of people. Waiting entrance took one hour.

sheepherder · 01-14-2012, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Traded in a Late Shallow Milled vL&D, matching stock and matching grip panels. Imported by vL&D in 1901.

It's a beautiful pistol!

But...You 'traded it in'??? Traded it in on what???

Why would you want to trade it???

alvin · 01-14-2012, 07:00 PM

Postie, that's THE question. What can I trade in? I thought about that briefly. I could not trade in one C96 for another C96. I'd like to trade in my Interarms P1, but no one wants it, value is too far away and I had no cash.

I traded in the Simson that I acquired from Russ. Why? value is close enough, seller did not object a rare Luger, and it's the ONLY military Luger I had. It's impossible for me to setup another military Luger collection financially, and a single rare and nice one in my hand is a little bit waste of resource. So....

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Another side of the question, why traded for this particular one? I don't know. I didn't have a Late Shallow Milled, and it looked nice. I will keep my two commercial Lugers though. More and more behaves like a real collector? well,,,,at least more concentrated....

lugerholsterrepair · 01-14-2012, 08:41 PM

Alvin, Very nice indeed!

alvin · 01-15-2012, 10:14 AM

I need some help on "K" from you guys!

The grip panels are number "K 33009". The number is easy to understand. But what's the meaning of "K"? Pix will be posted shortly after battery charging...

sheepherder · 01-15-2012, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

I need some help on "K" from you guys!

The grip panels are number "K 33009". The number is easy to understand. But what's the meaning of "K"? Pix will be posted shortly after battery charging...

Perhaps to differentiate from wood grips???

Were hard rubber grips standard on Mauser C96, or put on by US importer??? (Or maybe by Mauser for importer???)

Pics of grips & tangent sight would be nice...

BTW: Sales records for this company appear to be available...for a price...

http://www.griffinhowe.com/research-main.cfm

Edit: "The serial number that you entered (33009) is recorded in the Record Books." Woohoo!!!

alvin · 01-15-2012, 11:35 AM

Here are the grip panels.

alvin · 01-15-2012, 12:51 PM

Missed the sight leaf that you wanted. Here it is. Standard sight leaf numbered to the gun.

No other hint on "K" ?

alvin · 01-15-2012, 01:02 PM

Two more pix. Need anything else please let me know.

sheepherder · 01-15-2012, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Need anything else please let me know.

Fronts of grips would be nice...

Do you know of any other C96 with hard rubber grips???

alvin · 01-15-2012, 02:26 PM

Guns with hard rubber grips are not very rare. I have seen quite a few. The most famous one probably was the s/n 21138 flatside on Zhuk's famous book's cover (I saw that gun on book cover, so I bought a copy. Nice book, nice drawing, indeed).

Fitting is perfect.

sheepherder · 01-15-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

Guns with hard rubber grips...Fitting is perfect.

I was hoping you would show straight-on view of grips...but no matter...Can you make out what the emblem/graphic on grips is???

alvin · 01-15-2012, 05:26 PM

Postie -- The interleaved letters inside that shield are "WM". That's standard business.

K, this K, what it could be .....

semperjack · 01-22-2012, 12:59 PM

Alvin-very,very nice BroomieRig-Thanks for sharing I have a small ring(Not NewSafety)WoodGrips,LeatherHolster. Am brand new to site & as of yet can't figure out how to post a pic-thanks again-jack

alvin · 01-23-2012, 12:48 PM

Hi, Jack. Regarding picture posting, there is a button below the text window, "Go Advanced", click on that button and you will see "Manage Attachments", click it and you can load pictures.

I saw a few MM-31s posted by a gun lover in China. He saved those guns from dumping into blast furnace back a few years ago and setup a museum. His guns went though tough history in the past and were not in great shape anymore. But, for their rareness nowadays, that does not matter.

pisto · 01-29-2012, 06:37 PM

Alvin, great pistol, thanks for sharing the pictures with us.

alvin · 01-29-2012, 07:10 PM

Postie, the guy also showed a Chinese made Schnellfeuer. I will find his pictures.

It's amazingly well done by "Made By The Arm Reparation Facility of Department of Army". If it's not so marked, I would believe it's a Mauser. The guy did not show the internal pictures though. So, it might be a gun assembled from Mauser parts. Here is the thought: (1) Chinese Nationalist Army bought tens of thousand Mauser pistols in 1930s, those were new guns at that time, it's hard to believe no parts were imported along with those guns. Even A. F. Stoeger's small Mauser inventory had many parts available in their advertisement; (2) Why there was a big leap forward in quality between those 1920's copies and 1930's copies? (3) Serial number over 30 thousand on the instance. It's so hard to believe an arm repairing facility could make tens of thousands Schnellfeuer copies.

Will find pictures......

alvin · 01-29-2012, 07:19 PM

Found them. Please take a look. Is this Mauser, or a copy?

According to him, unlike other Schnells that he has, this one's s/n, 35626, is stamped under the barrel.

01-14-2012, 07:59 AM	#1
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01-14-2012, 08:41 PM	#6
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01-15-2012, 11:35 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Here are the grip panels. Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2012, 12:51 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Missed the sight leaf that you wanted. Here it is. Standard sight leaf numbered to the gun. No other hint on "K" ? Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2012, 01:02 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Two more pix. Need anything else please let me know. Attached Thumbnails

01-14-2012, 03:20 PM	#2
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Might you share the serial number with us? Thanks

01-14-2012, 03:31 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Herman -- The s/n is hided in the name of the last picture. Open it and you'll see it (pix name). === Back from a gun show. Unbelievable amount of people. Waiting entrance took one hour.

01-14-2012, 07:00 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Postie, that's THE question. What can I trade in? I thought about that briefly. I could not trade in one C96 for another C96. I'd like to trade in my Interarms P1, but no one wants it, value is too far away and I had no cash. I traded in the Simson that I acquired from Russ. Why? value is close enough, seller did not object a rare Luger, and it's the ONLY military Luger I had. It's impossible for me to setup another military Luger collection financially, and a single rare and nice one in my hand is a little bit waste of resource. So.... ==== Another side of the question, why traded for this particular one? I don't know. I didn't have a Late Shallow Milled, and it looked nice. I will keep my two commercial Lugers though. More and more behaves like a real collector? well,,,,at least more concentrated....

01-15-2012, 10:14 AM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I need some help on "K" from you guys! The grip panels are number "K 33009". The number is easy to understand. But what's the meaning of "K"? Pix will be posted shortly after battery charging...

01-15-2012, 02:26 PM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Guns with hard rubber grips are not very rare. I have seen quite a few. The most famous one probably was the s/n 21138 flatside on Zhuk's famous book's cover (I saw that gun on book cover, so I bought a copy. Nice book, nice drawing, indeed). Fitting is perfect. Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2012, 05:26 PM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Postie -- The interleaved letters inside that shield are "WM". That's standard business. K, this K, what it could be .....

01-22-2012, 12:59 PM	#16
semperjack New User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NorthEast,Ohio Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alvin-very,very nice BroomieRig-Thanks for sharing I have a small ring(Not NewSafety)WoodGrips,LeatherHolster. Am brand new to site & as of yet can't figure out how to post a pic-thanks again-jack

01-23-2012, 12:48 PM	#17
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Hi, Jack. Regarding picture posting, there is a button below the text window, "Go Advanced", click on that button and you will see "Manage Attachments", click it and you can load pictures. I saw a few MM-31s posted by a gun lover in China. He saved those guns from dumping into blast furnace back a few years ago and setup a museum. His guns went though tough history in the past and were not in great shape anymore. But, for their rareness nowadays, that does not matter. Attached Thumbnails

01-29-2012, 06:37 PM	#18
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alvin, great pistol, thanks for sharing the pictures with us.

01-29-2012, 07:10 PM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Postie, the guy also showed a Chinese made Schnellfeuer. I will find his pictures. It's amazingly well done by "Made By The Arm Reparation Facility of Department of Army". If it's not so marked, I would believe it's a Mauser. The guy did not show the internal pictures though. So, it might be a gun assembled from Mauser parts. Here is the thought: (1) Chinese Nationalist Army bought tens of thousand Mauser pistols in 1930s, those were new guns at that time, it's hard to believe no parts were imported along with those guns. Even A. F. Stoeger's small Mauser inventory had many parts available in their advertisement; (2) Why there was a big leap forward in quality between those 1920's copies and 1930's copies? (3) Serial number over 30 thousand on the instance. It's so hard to believe an arm repairing facility could make tens of thousands Schnellfeuer copies. Will find pictures......

01-29-2012, 07:19 PM	#20
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Found them. Please take a look. Is this Mauser, or a copy? According to him, unlike other Schnells that he has, this one's s/n, 35626, is stamped under the barrel. Attached Thumbnails