SS Luger at Collectors Firearms
 

Hi,
Just trying to educate myself on a new subject. Since I couldn't tell this particular Luger from pretty much any other one, and the hefty price tag, can anyone point out what makes this real or fake? I've searched here and around the net, but nothing definitive. I have learned(I think) that there is no proof the SS marked their weapons in such a manner, and most floating around out there are fake.

Thanks!
Chad

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=38416

with all the incorrect spelling of words in the description, i wonder if they have any ability to know what they have....much less the markings on the piece........

You'd think they would take the time to spellcheck....LOL.

QUOTE: There is no proof the SS marked their weapons in such a manner, and most floating around out there are fake. UNQUOTE

I agree, then the so called Death's Head Totenkopf is pretty rarely found, moreover if I'm not wrong German Imperial units adopted the Deathhead as their symbol, that is why we see it in several German units.

Sergio

I find it sad and surprising that a dealer [Simpsons] is presenting this as if it were authentic, and at such an inflated price. :(

I've dealt with Simpsons [bought my 1900AE from them] and have been of the opinion that they were one of the 'good ones'...

When I called Simpsons, Floyd Gray took my call, pulled the 1900AE out of "the vault", and called out every descriptive detail he could think of as he examined it. No other dealership has done this for me.

While I understand that Simpsons wants to make money on their sales, a disclaimer would surely be in order for this Luger. I would be hard pressed to recommend Simpsons in the future.

To my knowledge the only SS / RHSA firearms that have distinctive markings are the Walther PPK pistols that appear in a known serial number range, and that have serial numbers on their magazines as well as the muzzle area.

Marc

That's a funny ad! The pumpkin head looks like he has steam coming off the top of his head..It's all rediculous BS. Why is this the only Luger known to all mankind marked like this? Cause some BUBBA marked it. Idiotic.

Thanks for all the info! I'm glad there's such a resource as this forum to help!

Simpsons has taken some giant steps backward the last couple years. This is a large step. Bill

I agree with Bill, a very large step. A pumpkin head with steam rising, now that's funny.

Jeffrey

They also list this one:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=38369

Real or fake?

At least this gun has the faint POSSIBILITY of being real. ;)
Its a WW1 luger and the marking is in the usual area. As this august forum has pondered,this marking might be for the flamethower units in WW1 or some Freikorps unit.:confused:
I notice it is on hold already!
Bob

This is the marking in question

Hi,

Authentic marking? If so, one would think that we would have seen one like it before.

The subject Totenkopf itself resembles the one the SS used on their caps. The two little markings above it look to me like the double Siegrun Hitler adopted from the ancient German Runic alphabet. This is the symbol for victory.

Just some thoughts.


Sieger

That's the second posted/linked Totenkopf. This is the one ChadC questioned. [pic below]

There is the 'K under' version which is SS/RHSA which is identified by the fact that the markings are 'K under"

K under - is where the serial number is on the slide and the 'K' is under the numbers instead of behind the numbers.

There is also the version that has the serial number stamped on the slide. These occur below approx serial no. 335xxx.

Before 335xxx (approx) Walther did not put the serial number on the outside of the slide on PPKs. After 335xxx approx, Walther put the serial number on the outside of the slide on all PPKs, but the SS/RSHA ones had the 'K' under the serial number.

After the 'K under' version, then one has to look for the numbered mag to determine if it is a SS/RSHA version.

why does it say "Collectors Firearms' in the title - you realize that is another company

if you see a mistake, call them and tell them

however, from what i understand, if it is consigned then they will put the buyers description in it.

This 'variation' is still listed in several books.

Call Bob or Brad and talk to them, after they get back from Louisville...

Yes, but have you ever seen it on the side of the barrel and again on the side of the barrel extension?

The second one, with the sizzling pumpkin on the chamber, might be kosher [so to speak]... :D

I have to side with Jerry on this one...No one knows steamy pumpkins like he does... ;)

Totally bogus markings. There is no reason for them to exist on the gun at all. Why would they reproof a gun that was already proof marked?

Even funnier is that the real SS pistols are already in many collections and collectors cannot identify them as such, because they have no additional markings to identify them ;)

How long before psychometry readings become a sales tool?