Simson Luger found at a gun show
 

Guys I am new to the forum, but I have had several Lugers and P38s. I have never had a Simson. Here are a few pics. I took them with my cell phone. Any information would be great.
Thanks P. Stout

Same questions I sent you :-)

For others, I would want to know, full sn on grips? Sn on all parts? Eagle 6 or 33 on all small parts?

Stock lug have eagle 6's?

Sn?

Any markings on grip straps?

more pics
 

more pics. What is its MFG date?

Hi Pete and welcome to the forum.

You'll need to share better pictures including all markings and numbers to learn much about this Simson. Take your pictures in natural shaded light outdoors and shut off the flash. Use the closeup setting on the camera and a tripod (and the self timer) to eliminate camera shake. Post pictures with about 1024 pixels across so that the fine detail is visible.

Stabilize the corrosion and use oiled fine steel wool to remove the active red oxide.

Mfg from 1925 to 1930 there were about 11,500 of these made.

Ed is the international expert on Simson Lugers and has written a very good reference book on them. You can help him by sharing as much detail as possible about your find.

Marc

Hi Pete, I think you've come to he right place to ask about your gun; here we are lucky to have Edward Tinker who is probably one of the more expert people about Simson Lugers.

Welcome to our forums.

Sergio

it actually looks nicer in the large pics and with a bit more light he emailed me :)

I would guess made about 1929 - but that is a guess since we don't have records of what was produced. Heck, it has occurred to me and others that maybe the first 10k were made in the first couple of years and then the rest of them (many police) were made over the late 20's and early 30's.

ed

I did not know that. I do have a question pertaining to Simson Lugers; maybe Ed can answer...

I've seen many Lugers here, at Still's, and on GB that have ground-down toggles, where the mfg graphic/text would be. Could this have been done 'on order' by the Nazis, since the Simson firm was Jewish owned??? Would leftover Simson toggles delivered to Krieghoff (or was it Mauser?) with the manufacturing machinery have the Simson name ground off??? :confused:

Possible but unlikely - there were too many parts around

1. some of the 'blank' toggles were just never marked - some people call these sneaks, and although I disagreed with this term for a long time, it is probably accurate, just not for the old time reasons
2. Blank toggles were likely laying around after the war - but I would imagine lots of marked ones (WW1 or WW2) were re-used - I do not know the order of marking or accepting - would guess marking and then acceptance
3. It is possible that they could grind off the name, but then restamping seems unlikely. That said, Erfurt parts by the thousands were delivered to Simson and Simson parts, but the less thousands were delivered to Krieghoff - I do not think Krieg parts went to Mauser and as both were still making lugers on a limited basis to the same time period
4. As a side note on Simson toggles, there is a period of time where the markings on the toggle were very light, Bill guessed that it was a old die (or two) - and it may have to do with hardness?

WOW!!! This site is awsome! The information is much more than I expected. I took a few more pitcures. I tried a little steel wool and light oil. I guess I will just leave it alone.
Thanks, Guys! Pete

yes, it looks very good

the stock lug marking I like to see, as everyone that I see without it I believe is a refurb