Seller claims ORIGINAL stock!
 

A horrible fake..another ePay fraud

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-German-A...item19e1853c7b

Mahogany wood, cast stock iron, holes terribly misplaced, no cartouche..on and on.
Seller says it's original..

Five Bids to date!! People simply do not research what they are attempting to purchase.

Went up 75 bucks since I posted! Amazing!

WW1 German Artillary Luger Shoulder Stock
 

in case the ad vanishes, here's some of seller's pictures
:evilgrin:

i would appreciate to know if there's something blatantly obvious that a novice can spot about this piece as being fake or reproduction :thumbup:

Darius..everything is wrong with it! Take a close look at an original Imperial Artillery stock and the differences will be striking!

..i had a hard time finding pictures of one in posts, but came across this one that was sold on fleeBay, which appears to be very similar to the above post! :roflmao:

most of the pictures i've seen the stock is attached!! :soapbox:

..not sure if this one is an all original stock :confused:

..this one has some cool markings :evilgrin:

Maestro:
It would help if you stuck to one topic in your responses. The topics you address are all over the place and it makes it difficult to address any specific inqiry.

No need to post everything you are discovering, either. Most of these variations and accessories are already familiar to the group.

Darius.Original German Artillery and Navy Stocks were made of a European walnut. You need to know what it looks like.
The iron is cast. Originals were machined. Subtle differences but it's all in the details you need to recognize.
Hole placement..Original German stocks had 4 holes placed correctly for the top closure and attachment stock strap. Anytime you see them placed as funky as these are you know something isn't right.
The shape of the wood..this wood is incorrectly shaped. Subtle but you can see it. There are a half dozen other little tells but once you get a good look at an original stock in your hands..they will pop out like a herpes sore on your date.

Alanint is basically right, I agree, also here in Italy many people tend to be a bit superficial and don't research enough about what they are trying to purchase.

Adding to Jerry's points, on this example, they drilled the four holes where they roughly thought they should go, but then neglected to add the single hole that holds the leather strap at the stock wrist!! There is no evidence that any leather was held snug to the wood at this point, nor any indentations, which the metal washers would have left.

Looks like it was secretly made by inmates with wood rasps and sandpaper, nails and a hammer... definitely not original... even the Pakistani reproduction gun trade products look better by comparison... :roflmao:

Thanks Jerry ... I'll try to get further details , it was difficult to find color pictures of period made stocks. . Your suggestions will help me key in on some of the basics..

Darius..try a search here on this forum and on Jan Stills..I KNOW there have to be some great photo's of original stocks on here somewhere!

Maybe some of the members here can help out?

Jerry, I would have thought that there should be an archive of good photos of many different parts. But they aren't easy to find. So to start things off, I am going to open a thread in the Artillery Forum... just for photos of Artillery Stocks... Let's see how long it takes to get a good library of photos for this accessory...

here is the link:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...872#post239872

John, Good idea! Thanks!