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Guntoter 10-15-2012 11:30 PM

Any way to identify Bayard Luger parts?
 
According to Walter's The Luger Book, Bayard in occupied Belgium manufactured some small Luger parts for Erfurt during the later part of the war (WW1). I believe sideplates, firing pins and probably some other small parts.

Is there any good way to identify these parts? I think the sideplates have a different inspection mark than the Erfurt made sideplates, but do not know that for sure. It looks sort of like a stylized "I" as this is the same mark used on the 1908 Bayard pistols made under German occupation. It would be great to somehow identify these contracted parts.

Vlim 10-16-2012 01:46 PM

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Here is a copy of the letter that proved it :)

Guntoter 10-16-2012 03:08 PM

Thanks for that letter, I am saving that for my library. Thats an awesome piece of history right there. I tried to do a google translator for the list of parts and some do not make sense to me.

Zubringer = feeder ? Magazine follower?
Abzugshebel = deliver lever ? Maybe the trigger lever in the sideplate?

I believe the Kammerfangstuecke is the extractor, Schlagbolzen is the firing pin, Sicherungsriegel is the safety block, the Sicherungshebel is the safety lever and the Deckplatte is the sideplate. At least I think those are the correct meanings.

However, I still have the same question, how can these individual pieces be identified from standard Erfurt made parts? Is there even a way to identify them? In the Third Reich the subcontracted parts usually had a manufacturer code and/or a waffenamt that would identify the part. Or at least show it was not manufactured by the main manufacturer. Things like K98 barrels could have a code from the factory where made and the bolts could have different waffenamts, such as FN made bolts distributed to other factories. I am guessing that WW1 subcontracted parts did not necessarily have these type markings.

Vlim 10-17-2012 04:03 PM

Zubringer = Follower
Abzugshebel = sear
Kammerfangstuck = holdopen

If Pieper made them from the start, I think there is no way to identify them as such. Would make an interesting study, though :)

Guntoter 10-17-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim (Post 221708)
Zubringer = Follower
Abzugshebel = sear
Kammerfangstuck = holdopen

If Pieper made them from the start, I think there is no way to identify them as such. Would make an interesting study, though :)

Thanks for the translations, that helps a lot. I think you are right, there does not seem to be any way to individually identify the Pieper parts. That's too bad, it would be interesting.


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