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john 01-13-2002 03:53 AM

Polish radom question if permitted
 
Their is a K on the backside ofmy p.radom magazine,and a M

on the triggerguard of the pistol and bottom of pistol,

does this signify Kriegsmarine,as I know a few were issued

to the german navy, What looks like could be crossed anchors

are endside of lanyard loop.Proofs are 77/waa626/189.

My research was done on interent/however I could not find

enough content.I am having problems with my e-mail.

I bought this gun a few yesrs ago on a gut feeling.

Thanks for any feedback.






Bill Utterback 01-13-2002 05:16 AM

Re: Polish radom question if permitted
 
The Kriegsmarine marking is an eagle over M. The only time to my knowledge that the Kriegsmarine used a crossed anchors insignia was for naval coast artillery and that would not be on a pistol.




Marvin C. 01-13-2002 08:33 AM

Re: Polish radom question if permitted
 
John,


After the occupation of the Radom Plant, and The Germans decided to produce this pistol, the Navy was one of the first in line to request these pistols. Some of the earliest pistols produced were procured by the Navy. In late 1940 or early 1941, the Navy obtaines approx. 4,500 of the Radoms, These were marked with the large Eagle/M, and the stamp was generally located above and left of trigger guard on the left side of the pistol.


In 1942, the Navy obtained approx.6,000 more Radoms, and these were not specifically marked. Some of these pistols may or may not have the letter "N" stamped on the front gripstap; this is the property stamp which means Nord (North). Some of the "N" stamped ones may have a property number stamped under the "N"


The Waffenamt E/77 is the early acceptance code as it was changed to E/WaA77 a little later. The E/626 should be an E/623 (sometimes the numbers are difficult to read). The E/189 should be on the magazines and I don't know who the firm is at present for this stamp.


The other stamps sound like internal inspection stamps used at the plant as there are some numbers stamped that no one really know what they mean. I hope this helps a little.


Marvin C.




More Radom Info 01-13-2002 06:14 PM

Re: Polish radom question if permitted
 
These are great pistols. Not to counter anything said so far, merely to add and clarify. The Radoms started being made under German Control around the beginning of 1940. Still provides excellent breakdown in "Axis Pistols". To my knowledge all Navy markings were etched rather than stamped...please correct me if I'm wrong on this. In addition I can tell you that many (maybe most) of the Radom magazines made for the Germans had NO Wa markings. This is also true of the Browning HP's made in Belgium. There are plenty of fake Wa stamps out there and I hate seeing good correct un-marked mags getting messed up because many are expecting them to be Wa marked.




Lonnie Zimmerman 01-13-2002 08:27 PM

Re: Polish radom question if permitted
 
I believe almost all the magazines made at FN had German proofs. I know nothing of the Radom magazines.


Lonnie






BCC 01-13-2002 10:24 PM

Re: Polish radom question if permitted
 
You may be right about most FN's having the Wa markings, I do however have a HP in the early a block with holster and both issue mags, niether of which (the mags) is Wa stamped. In this case both of the mags were definatly issued with that pistol and the rig was not touched by the vet until I got it in the early 1970's (he was my neighbor). So I don't remember on the others that I have seen but at least in this case they were not.




john 01-14-2002 02:11 AM

Thanks guys/follow up imfo./Radom
 
Useing a 10 power lupe I found the grip screws are wood

that were turned on a lathe, painted with laqured tops,

their are 3 crooked 2"s with a slash line through them that

leaves the impression of a anchor{my opinion]Locations

noted are Bottom near lanyard loop/inside on left grip frame

and behind takedown lever,two connecting slanted O's with

a line dividing them on the right side of the hammer,the

M on the left lower trigger guard/and bottom near the lanyard loope look cryllic/style like ive seen on some S/42"s

Marvin your right the WaA is 623,and the mag is 189.

However the very very small proof on the outside edge of the

landyard loop still looks like crossed anchors to me.

I used laquor stick to highlite the markings.I believe the

grips are wood, I dont feel its been reblued,but in some

areas I think de-nazified. John





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