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I'm apparently not smart enough to blow up the photos for a close-up, but with the surface deterioration, mis-matching numbers, and assuming that the holster is correct and average or better condition, I'd guess around $700. The gun alone is around $500.
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Here is the link to bigger pics....... Thanks! Art G.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/3490101...7623547740454/ |
It looks like schrapnel damage to the toggle area....
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You are correct that cosmetic damage exists on the toggle area...... Art G.
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Is there a tool in the small pouch on the holsters lid? A tool with rare markings could bring additional monies to a sale.
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Just checked and there is no tool in the pouch..... Art G.
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As the grips are plastic rather than wood they most likely are replacements? Art G.
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Art, if the grips are legit WWII Bakelite Material, in good condition, could be sold for something like $250. The magazine is worth around $100. The holster is also a plus. If the pistol is mechanically sound, the total could approach $1000.
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Would bakelite grips be correct for this gun? Also the frame is serialed 127 with what I guess is a "t" right below it (see pic). So, the frame doesn't match the serial of the upper but is it still a Mauser frame? Thanks! Art G. artgsc@aol.com
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Hi Art
I am a newbie around here,but I think I help with your questions. The frame is a Mauser frame,as it has the Mauser bulge on the back of the frame. Since it is marked P08 on the left side it was made after 1941. This is the so called "Black Widow" type of luger. The black Bakelite grips could be original to the gun,however they where never numbered. Since the magazine is the extruded type,it is a correct type. The holster is also the correct later type with the P08 marking as well. So you have a later Mauser frame attached to a earlier Mauser barrel and toggle train. I think the possible battle damage is interesting. It is amazing how much knowledge you can glean from the gents on this forum. Bob |
Thank you to all for the info posted so far! Could anyone tell me what the manufacture date is of the frame? ( which is serialed 127) Thanks again! Art G.
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Hi Art, your frame is from a 41 byf Luger. It is not appropiate for black Bakelite grips, IMO. Serial Number 127t was completed about May 1941.
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Hi Frank, If my memory serves me correctly (I'm too lazy to consult TRL), about 20% of 41 byf's had bakelite grips, as does my r block gun. Regards, Norm
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Thank you for the info! Art G.
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Norm, in spite of what TRL says, there is a school of collectors (including me) that believes the Bakelite Grips were authorized at the same time as the black plastic magazine bottoms. This occurred in July (I think July 1, 1941). Turns out that this corresponds with the end of the serialized magazine bottoms, that is at the end of the U-Block.
Others believe that the Bakelite Grips were authorized for use in 1940. The difficulty about the originality of such grips is difficult to establish. Were these grips on earlier lugers added by armorers or post war? Tough to say. |
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